Hi Strainu, I can't find the previous discussions.Could you please provide a link to the public consultations (or proposal) you mentioned to allow people on this list have a clear understanding of what was discussed? Best regards Isaac On Wed, 29 Sep 2021, 23:22 Strainu, <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

See also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0/Diff The proposed waiver of database rights that was to accompany the move from 3.0 to 4.0 was one of the sticking points, I believe. To quote: Where you own Sui Generis Database Rights covered by CC BY-SA 4.0, you waive these rights. As an example, this means facts you contribute to the projects may be reused freely without attribution. For further background see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0/Legal_not… Andreas On Thursday, September 30, 2021, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Andreas, that was exactly what I was looking for. Everybody seems to agree there is more and more CC4 content out there, but apparently not enough to justify the investment. Hopefully the foundation will be able to provide more details and maybe a roadmap for the following fiscal year. Strainu P.S. I just hope that we're not pushing technical debt along with this project. În mie., 20 oct. 2021 la 17:26, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> a scris: > > The question about CC 4.0 was just answered in the "Conversation with the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees". This link will take you to the right place: > > https://youtu.be/Zpof5J6jjZ4?t=3738 > > Database rights were mentioned in the answers, along with challenging, unforeseen technical requirements that would require more money, more effort and more technical development work to address than was originally anticipated. As a result, moving to 4.0 is not something the Foundation can commit to doing right now. > > The question came up because the UN is apparently close to adopting CC 4.0 for its content. > > Andreas > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:01 AM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> See also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0/Diff >> >> The proposed waiver of database rights that was to accompany the move from 3.0 to 4.0 was one of the sticking points, I believe. To quote: >> >> Where you own Sui Generis Database Rights covered by CC BY-SA 4.0, you waive these rights. As an example, this means facts you contribute to the projects may be reused freely without attribution. >> >> For further background see >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0/Legal_not… >> >> Andreas >> >> On Thursday, September 30, 2021, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Isaac, >>> >>> See https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0 >>> >>> Strainu >>> >>> Pe joi, 30 septembrie 2021, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com> a scris: >>> > Hi Strainu, >>> > I can't find the previous discussions.Could you please provide a link to the public consultations (or proposal) you mentioned to allow people on this list have a clear understanding of what was discussed? >>> > Best regards >>> > Isaac >>> > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021, 23:22 Strainu, <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> A few years ago there was a public consultation on moving the Wikimedia license to cc-by-sa-4.0 instead of 3.0. Now, obviously that never happened but I couldn't find the decision documented anywhere. Why was the proposal scrapped? Are there any plans to revisit this? >>> >> >>> >> Steainu _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> >> Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:03 AM Todd Allen &lt;toddmallen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: No. All from CC BY-SA 4.0: 1.d:* "Copyright and Similar Rights* means copyright and/or similar rights closely related to copyright including ... Sui Generis Database Rights ... 1.h: *Licensed Material* means the ... database ... to which the Licensor applied this Public License. 1.l: *Sui Generis Database Rights* means rights other than copyright resulting from Directive 96/9/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 March 1996 on the legal protection of databases, as amended and/or succeeded, as well as other essentially equivalent rights anywhere in the world. *Section 4 – Sui Generis Database Rights.* Where the Licensed Rights include Sui Generis Database Rights that apply to Your use of the Licensed Material: 1. for the avoidance of doubt, Section 2(a)(1) <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s2a1> grants You the right to extract, reuse, reproduce, and Share all or a substantial portion of the contents of the database; 2. if You include all or a substantial portion of the database contents in a database in which You have Sui Generis Database Rights, then the database in which You have Sui Generis Database Rights (but not its individual contents) is Adapted Material, including for purposes of Section 3(b) <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3b>; and 3. You must comply with the conditions in Section 3(a) <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3a> if You Share all or a substantial portion of the contents of the database. For the avoidance of doubt, this Section 4 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s4> supplements and does not replace Your obligations under this Public License where the Licensed Rights include other Copyright and Similar Rights.

Wikidata's CC0 licence and database rights are the reason why there was a proposed amendment[1] to the WMF Terms of Use that was supposed to accompany any upgrade to 4.0. This included the words: Where you own Sui Generis Database Rights covered by CC BY-SA 4.0, you waive these rights. As an example, this means facts you contribute to the projects may be reused freely without attribution. It was originally thought[2] that Wikidata under CC0 would not be allowed to import content from a Share-Alike data source like Wikipedia (CC BY-SA 3.0). But in the end, the view prevailed that 3.0 provided enough "wiggle room" regarding database rights to risk the extraction of Wikipedia content to Wikidata. Version 4.0, however, removed that "wiggle room" by explicitly including database rights – hence any upgrade to 4.0 would require the above waiver to be added to the Terms of Use, or the relationship between Wikidata and Wikipedia would not be able to continue as before. This was explicitly confirmed[3] by WMF Legal Counsel Leighanna Mixter at the time: "This issue is one of the main reasons we have the sentence about waiving database rights. ... The waiver language we added makes sure that copying facts to Wikidata doesn’t have the CC 4.0 limitations anywhere, so that bits of data can freely be copied over and put under the Wikidata CC0 license. There was quite a lot of pushback[4] against this proposed waiver in the Terms of Use, in particular from Wikimedians in Europe, where database rights are more established. Another sticking point, again particularly for some European users, was that 4.0 itself includes an explicit waiver of "moral rights" as well as "publicity, privacy, and personality rights".[5] Andreas [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0/Diff [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikidata&diff=3876137… [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATerms_of_use%2FCreative… [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Creative_Com… [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Creative_Com… On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 8:58 PM Luis Villa &lt;luis(a)lu.is&gt; wrote: