I want a community-l list for much of the discussion that currently has nowhere to go but foundation-l. I would like to keep foundation-l for things like Board-initiated discussions and issues that people want Board input on. (of course people will overpost there but it can't be any worse than it is right now.) foundation-l has too many purposes crammed into one list and I think the high traffic discourages people from getting involved.
I also feel strange posting to foundation-l when I know I really just want to say "community-l" (and I expect the Board would often read there out of interest, but they wouldn't HAVE to).
cheers, Brianna
No harm in giving "community-l" a try. May or may not work but I think that there is merit to dividing out the Foundation board related discussion from the rest of the topics on this list.
Sydney Poore aka FloNight
On 8/10/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
I want a community-l list for much of the discussion that currently has nowhere to go but foundation-l. I would like to keep foundation-l for things like Board-initiated discussions and issues that people want Board input on. (of course people will overpost there but it can't be any worse than it is right now.) foundation-l has too many purposes crammed into one list and I think the high traffic discourages people from getting involved.
I also feel strange posting to foundation-l when I know I really just want to say "community-l" (and I expect the Board would often read there out of interest, but they wouldn't HAVE to).
cheers, Brianna
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On 8/10/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
I want a community-l list for much of the discussion that currently has nowhere to go but foundation-l.
That's a bit limited of a definition. ;-) Could you make a bullet point list of example topics and where they should go in such a setup? E.g., "new project proposal", "chapter report", "fundraising idea" ... It seems that unless we can well-specify what the topics of each list would be, it would be an arbitrary split which would mean that interested people would be subscribed to both lists, anyway.
2007/8/10, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org:
...It seems that unless we can well-specify what the topics of each list would be, it would be an arbitrary split which would mean that interested people would be subscribed to both lists, anyway.
Please, let's be careful not to create too many communications channels to be watched. The idea of a new list doesn't turn me on that much. But if it's considered useful, ok.
G.
"too much information running through my brain too much information driving me insane" (the Police, 1981)
On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Gianluigi Gamba wrote:
2007/8/10, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org:
...It seems that unless we can well-specify what the topics of each list would be, it would be an arbitrary split which would mean that interested people would be subscribed to both lists, anyway.
Please, let's be careful not to create too many communications channels to be watched. The idea of a new list doesn't turn me on that much. But if it's considered useful, ok.
G.
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I agree with Gianluigi. I think the idea of a community-l list is probably a good thing, but for the life of me I can't think of a good definition of what should be on that list, other than "community related things that don't directly refer to the foundation, so shouldn't be on foundation-l." and I am rather uncomfortable with the idea of a list so generally defined, for the sake of having a list. But if someone can come up with a good definition for it I'd be all for it.
-dan
How about "Topics corresponding to Wikimedia projects in general, but not decisions related to the Wikimedia Foundation"? Also, would a better name for this list be wikimedia-l?
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I agree with Gianluigi. I think the idea of a community-l list is probably a good thing, but for the life of me I can't think of a good definition of what should be on that list, other than "community related things that don't directly refer to the foundation, so shouldn't be on foundation-l." and I am rather uncomfortable with the idea of a list so generally defined, for the sake of having a list. But if someone can come up with a good definition for it I'd be all for it.
-dan
On 8/10/07, Mitchell mduce@mts.net wrote:
How about "Topics corresponding to Wikimedia projects in general, but not decisions related to the Wikimedia Foundation"? Also, would a better name for this list be wikimedia-l?
Hey, Japanese wikipedia, what are your experiences with non-free media content? Do you allow it? Roughly what percentage of images would you say are non-free?
There's a good example of a real question I would like to ask :)
Judson [[:en:User:Cohesion]]
On 8/10/07, cohesion cohesion@sleepyhead.org wrote:
Hey, Japanese wikipedia, what are your experiences with non-free media content? Do you allow it? Roughly what percentage of images would you say are non-free?
I think it'll be hard to find a useful distinction, but threads like that might make sense going into another mailing list. They *work* here, but I can see how they drift a bit off the usual flavor. We do have an interproject mailing list at wikipedia-l (and probably a few others), perhaps such threads could be directed there, or that list could be renamed and refactored? Just a thought.
-Luna
Hoi, The Wikipedia-l is an inter language list. It is not an inter project list. Thanks, GerardM
On 8/10/07, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/10/07, cohesion cohesion@sleepyhead.org wrote:
Hey, Japanese wikipedia, what are your experiences with non-free media content? Do you allow it? Roughly what percentage of images would you say are non-free?
I think it'll be hard to find a useful distinction, but threads like that might make sense going into another mailing list. They *work* here, but I can see how they drift a bit off the usual flavor. We do have an interproject mailing list at wikipedia-l (and probably a few others), perhaps such threads could be directed there, or that list could be renamed and refactored? Just a thought.
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On 8/10/07, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
The Wikipedia-l is an inter language list. It is not an inter project list.
I tend to think of the various languages (en.wikipedia and de.wikipedia, for example) as distinct projects, even if they are more closely related in some ways to each other than to, say, Wikinews. Looks like we use the terms differently -- though I apologize if I caused any offense.
-Luna
On 10/08/07, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, The Wikipedia-l is an inter language list. It is not an inter project list. Thanks,
This does seem to be splitting hairs a bit...
Taking the definition of "project" as "Wikipedia, Wikibooks, etc", then no it isn't. Taking the (fairly commonly used) definition of "project" as a specific single wiki - Japanese Wikipedia, English Wikibooks - then yes, it is an interproject list, just one dealing with a restricted set of projects.
On 11/08/07, cohesion cohesion@sleepyhead.org wrote:
On 8/10/07, Mitchell mduce@mts.net wrote:
How about "Topics corresponding to Wikimedia projects in general, but not decisions related to the Wikimedia Foundation"? Also, would a better name for this list be wikimedia-l?
Hey, Japanese wikipedia, what are your experiences with non-free media content? Do you allow it? Roughly what percentage of images would you say are non-free?
There's a good example of a real question I would like to ask :)
Yes. And not just Japanese Wikipedia - any project.
- Hi, I'm trying to help my wiki in language X grow, do you have any ideas about how to do it? - Hi Wikimedians, do you think 3RR should be a policy on every wiki? Why or why not? - Hi other projects, I'm curious to get impressions about how other projects deal with 'difficult users'. We have a user who does X and we don't quite want to block him, because he makes useful edits, but the way he relates to other people is causing friction. any ideas?
Actually I think the question is what should go on the foundation-l list, not the other way around. Of the last 20 topics or so only a few should really be for the Board: EDP, paypal, checkuser stuff.
Brianna
Brianna wrote:
- Hi, I'm trying to help my wiki in language X grow, do you have any
ideas about how to do it?
- Hi Wikimedians, do you think 3RR should be a policy on every wiki?
Why or why not?
- Hi other projects, I'm curious to get impressions about how other
projects deal with 'difficult users'. We have a user who does X and we don't quite want to block him, because he makes useful edits, but the way he relates to other people is causing friction. any ideas?
If you were going to ask those questions on a wiki, it would be meta.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the right mailing list for that is also the meta mailing list rather than community-l? There's a not-yet-official list for Meta at http://mail.lists.wikipedia.be/mailman/listinfo/meta-l_lists.wikipedia.be. It hasn't been widely promoted and only has 29 subscribers so far.
There's a request for Wikimedia to host that list at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098.
Angela
On 11/08/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
If you were going to ask those questions on a wiki, it would be meta.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the right mailing list for that is also the meta mailing list rather than community-l? There's a not-yet-official list for Meta at http://mail.lists.wikipedia.be/mailman/listinfo/meta-l_lists.wikipedia.be. It hasn't been widely promoted and only has 29 subscribers so far.
There's a request for Wikimedia to host that list at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098.
Well that's fine. The name is not of great importance to me. I just want some infrastructure to exist.
Brianna
On 8/11/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/08/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
If you were going to ask those questions on a wiki, it would be meta.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the right mailing list for that is also the meta mailing list rather than community-l? There's a not-yet-official list for Meta at http://mail.lists.wikipedia.be/mailman/listinfo/meta-l_lists.wikipedia.be. It hasn't been widely promoted and only has 29 subscribers so far.
There's a request for Wikimedia to host that list at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098.
Well that's fine. The name is not of great importance to me. I just want some infrastructure to exist.
Hi. I've been mulling over your suggestion, and not only do I find it a capital idea, but actually I would humbly suggest that the name *does* matter.
If the name was community-l, it might attract the kind of "silent knowledge", tradition not policy, discussion.
That is to say not "thou shalt not" type Mosaic law type process/policy wonking discussion, but (and I know people do feel "clue" can not be legislated) the kind of discussion that might impart through gentle instruction the best practises of the community as a whole and accross projects.
It could also serve as a timebinding tool, enmeshing the varying generations of wikimedians together more fully in a more perfect union. I have long been thinking it would be a useful thing if the newer wikipedians had at the very least an understanding of the more seasoned veteran wikipedians mindset, and a better historical perspective. More and more clashes onwiki appear to stem from the disparity of culture between those who have been with us for long, and those who are doing the work enthusiastically with the exuberance of just discovering wikimedia.
-- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
2007/8/11, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com:
...Well that's fine. The name is not of great importance to me. I just want some infrastructure to exist.
In a sense, it already does exist.
The "village pumps" and the "embassies" (or their equivalent) of every wikiproject are the right place for posting questions about policy comparisons, suggestion about wiki-activities, and so on... meta itself *is* the place where try to coordinate globally.
The main difference is that such wiki-spaces are completely public and trasparent, meanwhile a mailing list requires a subscription. But the topics given as example IMHO do not require secrecy. Should a topic be handled in a non-wholly-public place, there are the already existing mailing lists...
Bye, G.
Hoi, There are too many "village pumps" there are fewer embassies. By sending to a mailing list you reach the people who have indicated to be interested in the subjects a mailing list stands for.
I disagree that the mailing list are less public or transparent then the "village pumps", they reach a different public. When a specific thread is of sufficient interest, it can be referred to. The archives are open to all. I would even argue the opposite; when you post on more then two "village pumps" most people will not know what is said elsewhere and consequently it is impossible to reach a consensus.
Thanks, GerardM
On 8/11/07, Gianluigi Gamba gigamb@tin.it wrote:
2007/8/11, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com:
...Well that's fine. The name is not of great importance to me. I just want some infrastructure to exist.
In a sense, it already does exist.
The "village pumps" and the "embassies" (or their equivalent) of every wikiproject are the right place for posting questions about policy comparisons, suggestion about wiki-activities, and so on... meta itself *is* the place where try to coordinate globally.
The main difference is that such wiki-spaces are completely public and trasparent, meanwhile a mailing list requires a subscription. But the topics given as example IMHO do not require secrecy. Should a topic be handled in a non-wholly-public place, there are the already existing mailing lists...
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2007/8/11, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
... I would even argue the opposite; when you post on more then two "village pumps" most people will not know what is said elsewhere and consequently it is impossible to reach a consensus.
And this is reciprocally valid for what said on a mailing list I'm not registered on. I'm not against a new communication channel "per se" - I just wonder how wisely and efficiently we use the ones we already have. Creating a new mailing list is not difficult and might have sense. I'd almost certainly subscribe it. But it's also another path on which discussions fork on and disperse.
Perplexed. Bye, G.
Angela and Brianna,
The Meta mailing list would be perfect. I think the description of the list should include the word community to help get the point accross that it is for broad community discussions.
Thinking about this more since Brianna suggested it, I think re-focusing the Foundation mailing list toward Board related matter would be a good idea. Since the list has served a broader purpose up to now, I'm not completely sure will happen as old habits are hard to break. But I think it is worth a try.
Sydney
On 8/11/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Brianna wrote:
- Hi, I'm trying to help my wiki in language X grow, do you have any
ideas about how to do it?
- Hi Wikimedians, do you think 3RR should be a policy on every wiki?
Why or why not?
- Hi other projects, I'm curious to get impressions about how other
projects deal with 'difficult users'. We have a user who does X and we don't quite want to block him, because he makes useful edits, but the way he relates to other people is causing friction. any ideas?
If you were going to ask those questions on a wiki, it would be meta.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the right mailing list for that is also the meta mailing list rather than community-l? There's a not-yet-official list for Meta at <http://mail.lists.wikipedia.be/mailman/listinfo/meta-l_lists.wikipedia.be
.
It hasn't been widely promoted and only has 29 subscribers so far.
There's a request for Wikimedia to host that list at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098.
Angela
I'm late but I have a few thoughts here:
I like the idea of a seperate list, or (if it were possible which for many reasons it isn't really) a renaming of this list. The Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia as a whole are (arguably) different things and thus we need a seperate place for both. Mailing lists are definately the way to go IMO because they eliminate the disadvantages wiki software can create due to the fact we have projects all over the place. So, here I like the idea of calling it wikimedia-l (or under the new system just wikimedia, but perhaps adding -l to show how it links to these other lists would make more sense).
I think the advantage of seperation would not be for most of us here on Foundation-l who would subscribe to the other - it would be something everyone who doesn't want to hear our chapter and employment issues that relate to the charity itself but want a central commune for the Wikimedia community.
Sean
On 11/08/07, FloNight sydney.poore@gmail.com wrote:
Angela and Brianna,
The Meta mailing list would be perfect. I think the description of the list should include the word community to help get the point accross that it is for broad community discussions.
Thinking about this more since Brianna suggested it, I think re-focusing the Foundation mailing list toward Board related matter would be a good idea. Since the list has served a broader purpose up to now, I'm not completely sure will happen as old habits are hard to break. But I think it is worth a try.
Sydney
On 8/11/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Brianna wrote:
- Hi, I'm trying to help my wiki in language X grow, do you have any
ideas about how to do it?
- Hi Wikimedians, do you think 3RR should be a policy on every wiki?
Why or why not?
- Hi other projects, I'm curious to get impressions about how other
projects deal with 'difficult users'. We have a user who does X and we don't quite want to block him, because he makes useful edits, but the way he relates to other people is causing friction. any ideas?
If you were going to ask those questions on a wiki, it would be meta.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the right mailing list for that is also the meta mailing list rather than community-l? There's a not-yet-official list for Meta at <http://mail.lists.wikipedia.be/mailman/listinfo/meta-l_lists.wikipedia.be
.
It hasn't been widely promoted and only has 29 subscribers so far.
There's a request for Wikimedia to host that list at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098.
Angela
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
cheers Brianna
On 19/08/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
Ten seconds of a willing sysadmin's time. :-)
Yrs,
On 8/19/07, James Forrester jdforrester@gmail.com wrote:
On 19/08/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
Ten seconds of a willing sysadmin's time. :-)
Damn! Why can't it be something more easy to get, like unicorn blood? ;-)
Magnus
Hehe, but yes. It takes very little time, just make sure your provide them with the original list admin e-mail address, and the name of the list. Then they'll create the list and you get to set up everything else. :-)
On 8/19/07, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
On 8/19/07, James Forrester jdforrester@gmail.com wrote:
On 19/08/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
Ten seconds of a willing sysadmin's time. :-)
Damn! Why can't it be something more easy to get, like unicorn blood? ;-)
Magnus
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Casey Brown wrote:
Hehe, but yes. It takes very little time, just make sure your provide them with the original list admin e-mail address, and the name of the list. Then they'll create the list and you get to set up everything else. :-)
On 8/19/07, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
On 8/19/07, James Forrester jdforrester@gmail.com wrote:
On 19/08/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
Ten seconds of a willing sysadmin's time. :-)
Damn! Why can't it be something more easy to get, like unicorn blood? ;-)
Magnus
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May be also auto subscribe all the people subscribed here? then the people who want out, they can unsubscribe..
On 8/19/07, Mohamed Magdy mohamed.m.k@gmail.com wrote:
May be also auto subscribe all the people subscribed here? then the people who want out, they can unsubscribe..
Mailman has a "Invite"-possibility, maybe this would be a bit more polite than forcefully subscribing all foundation-l-subscribers to this new list...
Michael
Yes, the first list admin can either "invite" the users to subsribe, or automatically subscribe them. The "invite" capability would be the best option. :-)
On 8/19/07, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/19/07, Mohamed Magdy mohamed.m.k@gmail.com wrote:
May be also auto subscribe all the people subscribed here? then the people who want out, they can unsubscribe..
Mailman has a "Invite"-possibility, maybe this would be a bit more polite than forcefully subscribing all foundation-l-subscribers to this new list...
Michael
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But, technically, we should open up a bug request... http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
On 8/19/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
cheers Brianna
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On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 10:34:30PM +1000, Brianna Laugher wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
I'm not sure, ask JamesF. :-)
Whatever the case, please sign me up! [1][2][3] :-)
read you soon, Kim Bruning [1] Or point me to the convenient 20 page web form where I must reveal all my personal information, pledge my firstborn, and agree to eat at a local night market. [2] If none of the above is possible yet I'll start bugging people to create said list. [3] Though worst case I can run it on some local box.
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10999 is the bug.
On 8/19/07, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 10:34:30PM +1000, Brianna Laugher wrote:
So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :)
I'm not sure, ask JamesF. :-)
Whatever the case, please sign me up! [1][2][3] :-)
read you soon, Kim Bruning [1] Or point me to the convenient 20 page web form where I must reveal all my personal information, pledge my firstborn, and agree to eat at a local night market. [2] If none of the above is possible yet I'll start bugging people to create said list. [3] Though worst case I can run it on some local box.
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On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 07:45:14PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10999 is the bug.
Now to find a dev to fulfil it. (Or get bastique to do it?)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developers ^- this page seems to be slightly out of date?
read you soon, Kim Bruning
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 01:52:22AM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 07:45:14PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10999 is the bug.
Now to find a dev to fulfil it. (Or get bastique to do it?)
Been a bit busy myself, so didn't have time to bug people until someone picked it up and made the list. Can anyone take that over? O:-)
read you soon, Kim Bruning
I talked with a couple more people about the conception of this mailing list, and here's a first draft for a list description: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community-l (the examples wouldn't be on the listinfo page:-). Unless there are any further objections, I'll ask one of the techies to go ahead and make it for us.
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 02:46:52PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
I talked with a couple more people about the conception of this mailing list, and here's a first draft for a list description: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community-l (the examples wouldn't be on the listinfo page:-). Unless there are any further objections, I'll ask one of the techies to go ahead and make it for us.
Make it so! :-)
read you soon, Kim Bruning
The developers say that we don't seem to have enough consensus.
On 8/24/07, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 02:46:52PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
I talked with a couple more people about the conception of this mailing list, and here's a first draft for a list description: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community-l (the examples wouldn't be on
the
listinfo page:-). Unless there are any further objections, I'll ask one
of
the techies to go ahead and make it for us.
Make it so! :-)
read you soon, Kim Bruning
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On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 10:47:35AM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
The developers say that we don't seem to have enough consensus.
Ouw, well that's kinda bs.
But if that's the call, let's start pulling more community stuff onto foundation-l until folks here cry uncle. O:-)
read you soon, Kim Bruning
(What WP:POINT violation? :-P )
On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 10:47:35AM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
The developers say that we don't seem to have enough consensus.
on 8/31/07 9:16 PM, Kim Bruning at kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
Ouw, well that's kinda bs.
But if that's the call, let's start pulling more community stuff onto foundation-l until folks here cry uncle. O:-)
Sounds good to me!
Marc Riddell
I agree with you here. Various things need *both* community and board involvement, like "new projects" and "fundraising ideas". That is the problem, Wikimedia and the Foundation do, most of the time (as they should) go hand-in-hand. I wouldn't mind a new list, but I don't feel that we completely need one.
On 8/10/07, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 8/10/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
I want a community-l list for much of the discussion that currently has nowhere to go but foundation-l.
That's a bit limited of a definition. ;-) Could you make a bullet point list of example topics and where they should go in such a setup? E.g., "new project proposal", "chapter report", "fundraising idea" ... It seems that unless we can well-specify what the topics of each list would be, it would be an arbitrary split which would mean that interested people would be subscribed to both lists, anyway. -- Toward Peace, Love & Progress: Erik
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