On 31 October 2015 at 02:26, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com> wrote: ... Hang on. Could I have an independent reality check; is that really $7 per photograph? Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

On 31 Oct 2015 11:00, "Ilario Valdelli" <valdelli(a)gmail.com> wrote: Cool. So about $2.50 per image. This looks expensive compared to my upload projects (the last 500,000 images have cost $0.00 in total) but perhaps the benchmark is better when measures against other WLM projects. Anyone have the numbers to show comparative value? Fae

I totally agree with Ilario here. We have yet to put a financial value on a Wikimedia contributor time unit, but I would venture to say that if such projects manage to procure even one Wikimedia contributor for the projects then that is money well spent. On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com> wrote:

We have many years of running these very similar projects. It should be possible to compare the value of outcomes against each other to see if some use better practices than others, and then to help assess future grant proposals for their potential value against estimated costs. I agree that outcomes are more than quantity of images, and the large WMF programme evaluation training had precisely the aim of ensuring that all funded projects would apply non-subjective measures of value (i.e. investment per image, investment per new editor, investment per new article are all measurable). One issue raised was the poor quality of a significant number of images, and quality should be part of the measurability of claimed outcomes. The original post in this thread mentioned that 86 photographs have been used on Wikipedia, this is a reasonable measure of quality, though investing $11,000 for this outcome is probably an unfair comparison, so others are needed. When programmes include competitions with prizes, then this requires special attention at the grant stage due as, again, we have experienced several controversies around programmes reliant on this method. We may wish to change the thread title, but the governance questions raised are relevant and are best not dismissed with "stop wasting our time on an email thread which should be about good PR". Fae On 31 October 2015 at 11:28, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

Hoi, So you did not answer the question. What is it that you aim to achieve. I get words, no ideas, nothing. Only negativity. Money is there to burn as long as it probably leads to results. The results should not be compared with what is done elsewhere when elsewhere is incomparable. When your point of view is that other people spending money is wrong because it does not conform to your ideas, then I pity you because why did you not do this job, why did you allow that situation to exist in the first place. When your ideas do not work, you may indeed blame others. Fine, move on. Thanks, GerardM On 31 October 2015 at 16:15, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Again, and again. "Success for whom"? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Gr… The section "measure of success" reports: at least 400 participants uploading one photograph or more; at least 5,000 photos uploaded; at least 15% of photos used on Wikipedia; at least 50% of new users engagement during the contest; at least 10 new articles about natural heritage sites in Brasil; at least 10% of new user retention after 2 months of the contest. Rodrigo reports: Pictures uploaded: 4.443 Uploaders: 411 New users registered on Commons: 325 New users engagement: 79% Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) Are the goals reached? Basically yes. When the project has been financed it was clear that the definition "success" was based on those measures. There is no success for a specific person on an individual and personal criteria. The user group of Brazil has not asked nothing special, this is a normal budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries. On 31.10.2015 18:20, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch

We did a long research in 2014 to define the prizes as described in the budget request and reports to WMF. A lot of contests in Brasil pay prizes around R$10.000-R$60.000, the value of the prizes that we gave in Brasil are considered low by many participants and professionals in that field. As described on the grant requests, the prizes was approved by GAC and WMF staff my friend. I really cant get your point here! You had the opportunity to organize this contest for many years and nothing was done. Why you never tried to organize that contests by yourself following your recomendations, ideas and values of prizes since you are so interested in that subject? Our planning pages are always open to contributions, not fallacies. To criticize is always the easiest way to feel contributing. Just do something my friend and help us to move forward, not backward! Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558 ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 16:22:14 -0200 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton&amp;lt;rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com&amp;gt; escreveu ---- "this is a normal budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries." WLE Brazil prizes: 3'300 EUR (2014) 3'000 EUR (2015) WLM 1800 EUR (2015) [1] WLE Thailand: 510 EUR (2014) Tunisia: 558 EUR (2015) Spain and Portugal: 1400 EUR (2015)... WLM: Ireland: 550 EUR (2015) Latvia 500 EUR (2015) Spain 700 EUR (2015) normal? normal would be 500 EUR in prizes. Not 6 times more. [1] and the currency sky rocketed between 2014-15 http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&amp;to=BRL&amp;view=2Y On 31 October 2015 at 15:43, Ilario Valdelli &amp;lt;valdelli(a)gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &gt; Again, and again. &gt; &gt; "Success for whom"? &gt; &gt; &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Gr… &gt; &gt; The section "measure of success" reports: &gt; &gt; at least 400 participants uploading one photograph or more; &gt; at least 5,000 photos uploaded; &gt; at least 15% of photos used on Wikipedia; &gt; at least 50% of new users engagement during the contest; &gt; at least 10 new articles about natural heritage sites in Brasil; &gt; at least 10% of new user retention after 2 months of the contest. &gt; &gt; Rodrigo reports: &gt; &gt; Pictures uploaded: 4.443 &gt; Uploaders: 411 &gt; New users registered on Commons: 325 &gt; New users engagement: 79% &gt; Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) &gt; &gt; &gt; Are the goals reached? Basically yes. When the project has been financed &gt; it was clear that the definition "success" was based on those measures. &gt; &gt; There is no success for a specific person on an individual and personal &gt; criteria. &gt; &gt; The user group of Brazil has not asked nothing special, this is a normal &gt; budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On 31.10.2015 18:20, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; quality of work. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Again "Success for whom?" &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; -- &gt; Ilario Valdelli &gt; Wikimedia CH &gt; Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens &gt; Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre &gt; Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera &gt; Switzerland - 8008 Zürich &gt; Tel: +41764821371 &gt; http://www.wikimedia.ch &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines &gt; Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org &gt; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &gt; &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt; &gt; -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt;

I cant see any relation in the "literature" regarding photo contests prizes and monthly average wage :-) So our study was based on local photo contests prizes, international prizes and a reasonable value for a non-profit organization in a way that the value is interesting for a amateur or a professional to spend some time loading photos on commons, since great part of the Brazilians don't know our mission and what Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons our Wikimedia Foundation really is! During WLE 2015 we spent R$10.000 in two categories: best photo and best contributions For each category the prizes was: 1º R$2000 2º R$1500 3º R$1000 TOTAL: R$10.000 - 4.453 photos - 411 uploaders Now for WLM 2015 we announced just one category, best photos with R$6.000 in prizes 1º R$3.000,00 2º R$2.000,00 3º R$1.000,00 TOTAL: R$6.000 - ~13.000 photos - ~2.000 uploaders There are a lot of variables, but the value of the prizes and categories can influence the final results for sure. Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558 ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 16:49:05 -0200 Michael Peel&amp;lt;email(a)mikepeel.net&amp;gt; escreveu ---- &gt; On 31 Oct 2015, at 18:34, Rodrigo Padula &amp;lt;rodrigopadula(a)wikimedia.org.br&amp;gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; A lot of contests in Brasil pay prizes around R$10.000-R$60.000, the value of the prizes that we gave in Brasil are considered low by many participants and professionals in that field. Isn't that something like 5-30 times the monthly average wage in Brazil, with the R$2.000 1st prize for WLM being around the average monthly wage? http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/wages &lt;http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/wages&gt; Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt;

On 31 October 2015 at 17:43, Ilario Valdelli &lt;valdelli(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: ... The comment here puzzled me, especially from an involved GAC member, as grant targets should not be "stretch targets" but realistic commitments to be met with the invested money. I went back to read the grant page and accurately it can be stated (traffic light colours added by me):[1] 1. [GREEN] at least 400 participants uploading one photograph or more; 2. [RED] at least 5,000 photos uploaded; 3. [RED] at least 15% of photos used on Wikipedia [i.e. > 666 photographs in use]; 4. [GREEN] at least 50% of new users engagement during the contest; 5. [RED] at least 10 new articles about natural heritage sites in Brasil [no report]; 6. [RED] at least 10% of new user retention after 2 months of the contest [no report]. There are a number of clarifications on the grant talk page, especially Wang's (WMF) significant questions raised under "WMF comments". The clarifications add detail to the above 6 measures, but also make some further commitments which have yet to be reported on. Based on this detail, it would not be possible to "close-out" the grant against reported results until December 2015. I recommend that the Wikimedia Community Brazilian Group of Education and Research go the extra mile to measure and report the detail so that their 2016 grant applications can demonstrate learning from the targets that were met or not met in this project. == Technical Note == Most of the measurements can be produced from using SQL on the Commons and Wikipedia(s) databases, if the more web-friendly tools such as Catscan are not up to the job. It may be worth asking for help at [2] or [3] if this gets stuck/seems a lot of effort, as such scripts are fairly easy to re-run each month and can be 'recycled' in coming years once worked out. == Community Observation == It might help future on-wiki discussion if questions are enumerated/logged and seen to be responded to in a non-personalized style. Even if the perception is that someone is griefing the project or organization, if you can bat back questions with formal and direct replies with hard measurements and statistics, or a clear explanation of why it is not worth the volunteer or staff time to report in some areas, then not only would the questions dry up, but they form a useful foundation for future more robust grant requests. Keep in mind that testing questions do add value. Links: 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Gr… 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bots/Work_requests 3. IRC #wikimedia-tech https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels#MediaWiki_and_technical Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

Argentom, only to demonstrate how wrong and misinformed you are, the guy you cited on your email is a very active contributor with more than 50.000 edits on the main domain of pt.wikipedia and near 100.000 edits including all domains. Thinking in personal privacy, it is not a good approach to point here names and social media accounts, that is why I will not identify the user name of this very important contributor of our movement. As you can read on the official announcement http://www.wikimedia.org.br/wiki-loves-monuments-brasil-2015-vencedores.html all the pictures uploaded for WLM was evaluated and filtered by teachers and students of the University http://www.ucs.br/portais/curso164/ under the coordination of the Prof. Edson Correa. All press releases and content published and sent to our media partners was created and revised by the teacher Prof. Dr. Marcio Gonçalves and students from a local university in Rio de Janeiro. I know you're just trying to attack me personally, but what you are doing is disqualifying all the efforts of all Wikimedia movement responsible for devising and organizing competitions like the WLE and WLM around the world and for that you have no contributions and much less support any group that can give you legitimacy for this. I recommend to you to change your strategy and try to do something positive for the Wikimedia Movement and for your life. Your votes against and all that hate speech will not take you anywhere. Kind regards Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558 ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 00:26:50 -0200 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton&amp;lt;rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com&amp;gt; escreveu ---- "success of WLE Brasil 2015" Success for whom? *For the Wikimedia Commons **it was totally **innocuous. * Less then 0,16% was a good quality image, including several snapshots (mobile made), downsized images....; the retention probably will follow WLE BR 2014 and goona be very close to 0. No work was developed in conjunction with the WCommons, and could created a problem, people got paid with thousands for bad photos, and volunteers there producing real content... And this money, more then 30'000 USD, come from WMF for the WLE 2014/15 and WLM in Brazil, and in the other hand, WP-en removed hundreds of people getting paid for contribution, how it's different? Oh yeah, the money did not came from donations... *For the Wikipedia it was barely nothing.* The volume of images used was very low, and even in the list of winners, a lot of those images do not have any education purpose, or do not properly illustrates the site. And very low involvement of the community, retention was none. For the "off-line community" , :D... Were are this people? The other coordinator named in the website [1], are not even close to be involved with the community, check his FB:[2], very active, none WLE/WLM publications... Commons: [3], any help with this contests. People listed in the WUG group did not signed by themselves[4]... And " including contributions from teachers and students..."??? "educational program."??? I think that "they" are hidden it in a very deep place, not even "their" website have any clues fof that[5], or "their" Facebook [6], Meta [7]... "Their" partners are not related to educational programmes [8], most of them are related to photography, for obvious reasons. as far we can see, "they" are just burn WMF money to make this contests (for ???)... *Two observation:* .ORG.BR are websites restricted to ONG registered in legal terms here in Brazil, or they already have a legal association and are not telling to AffCom, or they don't have that and is putting the Wikimedia name in some scheme circumventing laws... *The scope of the group, which can be found on their application, is "to support the participation of teachers, researchers and employees of several national institutions that participate in the Education Program of Wikimedia in Brazil, aiming to integrate the academic community to the Wikimedia movement, creating a more friendly and responsive environment for the development of projects, research, contests, events and other activities." *[9] How this contests are related to this scope? Again Success for whom? Links: [1]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/sobre.html [2]https://www.facebook.com/pedro.napolitanomendes [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=500&amp;tagfilter=&… [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_… [5]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/projetos [6]https://www.facebook.com/grupowikimediabr [7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Grou… [8]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/parceiros.html [9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedi… On 30 October 2015 at 20:42, Rodrigo Padula &amp;lt;rodrigopadula(a)wikimedia.org.br&amp;gt; wrote: &gt; Hello my friends, &gt; &gt; After many years of Wiki Loves Monuments around the world, finally we &gt; organized an edition of that important photo contest in Brasil. &gt; &gt; Following the success of WLE Brasil 2015(supported by our fellows from &gt; Wikimedia Ukraine) and counting with a lot of support from Romaine we &gt; finally completed that task after years of procrastination. &gt; &gt; The WLM Brasil 2015 was organized by the Wikimedia Community Brazilian &gt; Group of Education and Research, including contributions from teachers and &gt; students in a new approach for our educational program. &gt; &gt; Teachers and students from local universities supported us with &gt; marketing/communication and in the final process of pictures filtering for &gt; the judges evaluation. &gt; &gt; You can see the final result of WLM Brasil and the winners at &gt; http://www.wikimedia.org.br/wiki-loves-monuments-brasil-2015-vencedores.html &gt; &gt; Pictures uploaded: 4.443 &gt; Uploaders: 411 &gt; New users registered on Commons: 325 &gt; New users engagement: 79% &gt; Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) &gt; &gt; Best regards &gt; &gt; Rodrigo Padula &gt; Coordenador de Projetos &gt; Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa &gt; http://www.wikimedia.org.br &gt; 21 99326-0558 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines &gt; Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org &gt; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &gt; &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt; -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt;

Hello Jane, Moving forward with a positive discussion, we know that problems and we have some ideas in mind to try to fix that, improving the usage of the pictures on pt.wikipedia. We was planning a photo exhibition since the end of WLE 2015 (including we requested budget for that). Now our idea is to do it in a local library here in Rio de Janeiro and in parallel we will promote talks, trainning and edit-a-thon to improve and create articles related to both contests. We are under negotiation with some local possible partners and with the managers of Biblioteca Parque http://bibliotecasparque.rj.gov.br/, including we are planning to do the commemoration of 15 Wikipedia's Aniversary there too. Probably our photo exhibition will be exposed there from November to January, so we will have the photo exhibition running during the Wikipedia's aniversary in the better case scenario :-) My ideia is to have a Wikimedia Brazilian Conference during 15-17 January, but we have a lot of issues to define and negotiate until there, my priority is to do a good photo exhibition. Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558 ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 14:51:38 -0200 Jane Darnell&amp;lt;jane023(a)gmail.com&amp;gt; escreveu ---- OK both of you Rodrigo's, please stop with the snarky emails directed at eachother. What you are doing is indeed not very productive as Gerard is pointing out. The problem as I see it is an old one. Fae's mail is definitely worth taking to another thread, because what has happened here in the reaction to contest results is really just a repetition of our perennial communication gap regarding Wikipedians and Wikimedia Commonists. At the end of the day, both Wikipedia and Commons want to increase quality content. The problem is how you measure this and what sort of incentives can you dream up to attract this. For Wikipedia, we want high quality text that satisfies WIkipedia policy, and for Commons, we want high quality images that satisfies Commons policy. Unfortunately in many cases these don't match and we have lots of highly active contributors who can do one but not the other, and very few who understand the difference. Personally I have uploaded many snapshots to Commons with the idea that "any picture is better than none", and I have seen lots of my less than mediocre images get reused whilest some of my best pictures are rarely used. No one can say for sure what will be a good image and what it should be used for. Once a poor image is uploaded, this might even be more of an incentive for someone else to take a better picture - who knows? Certainly our current proposals for organizing and reporting on contests can be improved, and yes, we have lots of experience, but not many cross-cultural contacts who can parse all of the reports and make sound improvements. In the meantime, we do things the wikiway, which is everybody doing the best they can with the tools at hand. Let's try to remember that we are all still on the same team here! On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Rodrigo Padula &lt; rodrigopadula(a)wikimedia.org.br&amp;gt; wrote: &gt; Argentom, only to demonstrate how wrong and misinformed you are, the guy &gt; you cited on your email is a very active contributor with more than 50.000 &gt; edits on the main domain of pt.wikipedia and near 100.000 edits including &gt; all domains. Thinking in personal privacy, it is not a good approach to &gt; point here names and social media accounts, that is why I will not identify &gt; the user name of this very important contributor of our movement. &gt; &gt; As you can read on the official announcement &gt; http://www.wikimedia.org.br/wiki-loves-monuments-brasil-2015-vencedores.html &gt; all the pictures uploaded for WLM was evaluated and filtered by teachers &gt; and students of the University http://www.ucs.br/portais/curso164/ under &gt; the coordination of the Prof. Edson Correa. All press releases and content &gt; published and sent to our media partners was created and revised by the &gt; teacher Prof. Dr. Marcio Gonçalves and students from a local university in &gt; Rio de Janeiro. &gt; &gt; I know you're just trying to attack me personally, but what you are doing &gt; is disqualifying all the efforts of all Wikimedia movement responsible for &gt; devising and organizing competitions like the WLE and WLM around the world &gt; and for that you have no contributions and much less support any group that &gt; can give you legitimacy for this. &gt; &gt; I recommend to you to change your strategy and try to do something &gt; positive for the Wikimedia Movement and for your life. &gt; &gt; Your votes against and all that hate speech will not take you anywhere. &gt; &gt; Kind regards &gt; &gt; Rodrigo Padula &gt; Coordenador de Projetos &gt; Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa &gt; http://www.wikimedia.org.br &gt; 21 99326-0558 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 00:26:50 -0200 Rodrigo Tetsuo &gt; Argenton&amp;amp;lt;rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com&amp;amp;gtp;amp;gt; escreveu ---- &gt; &gt; "success of WLE Brasil 2015" &gt; &gt; Success for whom? &gt; &gt; *For the Wikimedia Commons **it was totally **innocuous. * &gt; &gt; Less then 0,16% was a good quality image, including several snapshots &gt; (mobile made), downsized images....; the retention probably will follow WLE &gt; BR 2014 and goona be very close to 0. No work was developed in conjunction &gt; with the WCommons, and could created a problem, people got paid with &gt; thousands for bad photos, and volunteers there producing real content... &gt; And this money, more then 30'000 USD, come from WMF for the WLE 2014/15 and &gt; WLM in Brazil, and in the other hand, WP-en removed hundreds of people &gt; getting paid for contribution, how it's different? Oh yeah, the money did &gt; not came from donations... &gt; &gt; *For the Wikipedia it was barely nothing.* &gt; &gt; The volume of images used was very low, and even in the list of winners, a &gt; lot of those images do not have any education purpose, or do not properly &gt; illustrates the site. And very low involvement of the community, retention &gt; was none. &gt; &gt; For the "off-line community" , :D... &gt; &gt; Were are this people? The other coordinator named in the website [1], are &gt; not even close to be involved with the community, check his FB:[2], very &gt; active, none WLE/WLM publications... Commons: [3], any help with this &gt; contests. People listed in the WUG group did not signed by themselves[4]... &gt; &gt; And " including contributions from teachers and students..."??? &gt; "educational &gt; program."??? I think that "they" are hidden it in a very deep place, not &gt; even "their" website have any clues fof that[5], or "their" Facebook [6], &gt; Meta [7]... "Their" partners are not related to educational programmes [8], &gt; most of them are related to photography, for obvious reasons. as far we can &gt; see, "they" are just burn WMF money to make this contests (for ???)... &gt; &gt; *Two observation:* &gt; &gt; .ORG.BR are websites restricted to ONG registered in legal terms here in &gt; Brazil, or they already have a legal association and are not telling to &gt; AffCom, or they don't have that and is putting the Wikimedia name in &gt; some scheme &gt; circumventing laws... &gt; &gt; &gt; *The scope of the group, which can be found on their application, is "to &gt; support the participation of teachers, researchers and employees of several &gt; national institutions that participate in the Education Program of &gt; Wikimedia in Brazil, aiming to integrate the academic community to the &gt; Wikimedia movement, creating a more friendly and responsive environment for &gt; the development of projects, research, contests, events and other &gt; activities." *[9] &gt; &gt; How this contests are related to this scope? &gt; &gt; &gt; Again &gt; &gt; Success for whom? &gt; &gt; &gt; Links: &gt; &gt; [1]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/sobre.html &gt; [2]https://www.facebook.com/pedro.napolitanomendes &gt; [3] &gt; &gt; https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=500&amp;amp;tagfilter=&… &gt; [4] &gt; &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_… &gt; [5]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/projetos &gt; [6]https://www.facebook.com/grupowikimediabr &gt; [7] &gt; &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Grou… &gt; [8]http://www.wikimedia.org.br/parceiros.html &gt; [9] &gt; &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedi… &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On 30 October 2015 at 20:42, Rodrigo Padula &amp; &gt; lt;rodrigopadula(a)wikimedia.org.br&amp;amp;gtp;gt; &gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Hello my friends, &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; After many years of Wiki Loves Monuments around the world, finally we &gt; &amp;gt; organized an edition of that important photo contest in Brasil. &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Following the success of WLE Brasil 2015(supported by our fellows from &gt; &amp;gt; Wikimedia Ukraine) and counting with a lot of support from Romaine we &gt; &amp;gt; finally completed that task after years of procrastination. &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; The WLM Brasil 2015 was organized by the Wikimedia Community Brazilian &gt; &amp;gt; Group of Education and Research, including contributions from &gt; teachers and &gt; &amp;gt; students in a new approach for our educational program. &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Teachers and students from local universities supported us with &gt; &amp;gt; marketing/communication and in the final process of pictures &gt; filtering for &gt; &amp;gt; the judges evaluation. &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; You can see the final result of WLM Brasil and the winners at &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; http://www.wikimedia.org.br/wiki-loves-monuments-brasil-2015-vencedores.html &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Pictures uploaded: 4.443 &gt; &amp;gt; Uploaders: 411 &gt; &amp;gt; New users registered on Commons: 325 &gt; &amp;gt; New users engagement: 79% &gt; &amp;gt; Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Best regards &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Rodrigo Padula &gt; &amp;gt; Coordenador de Projetos &gt; &amp;gt; Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa &gt; &amp;gt; http://www.wikimedia.org.br &gt; &amp;gt; 21 99326-0558 &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &gt; &amp;gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; &amp;gt; Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: &gt; &amp;gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines &gt; &amp;gt; Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org &gt; &amp;gt; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l &gt; , &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org &gt; ?subject=unsubscribe&amp;gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- &gt; Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton &gt; rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com &gt; +55 11 979 718 884 &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines &gt; Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org &gt; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &gt; &amp;lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&amp;gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: &gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines &gt; Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org &gt; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &gt; &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt; _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, &lt;mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe&gt;