On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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Eh I'm sure this was discussed somewhere already... anyway, it brought a ton of new editors in, which was both good and bad (we desperately need more good editors, but not vandals!)
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Al Tally wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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Eh I'm sure this was discussed somewhere already... anyway, it brought a ton of new editors in, which was both good and bad (we desperately need more good editors, but not vandals!)
-- Alex (User:Majorly)
That's good; considering that Simple had someone running on their 9th or 10th failed RFA with no intentions of giving up, it could probably use more than the same 15 people.
-Dan
since that is the most recent xkcd, you may be thinking of the recent http://xkcd.com/545/ "Neutrality Schmeutrality" or http://xkcd.com/214/ "The Problem with Wikipedia" or http://xkcd.com/446/ "in Popular Culture"
not to mention the classic http://xkcd.com/285/ "Wikipedian protestor"
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjester@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Al Tally wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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Eh I'm sure this was discussed somewhere already... anyway, it brought a ton of new editors in, which was both good and bad (we desperately need more good editors, but not vandals!)
-- Alex (User:Majorly)
That's good; considering that Simple had someone running on their 9th or 10th failed RFA with no intentions of giving up, it could probably use more than the same 15 people.
-Dan
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I would like to encourage Simple English Wikipedia fans to blog about it ... particularly if you are non-English native speakers. The wiki is just not known. They might know their mother tongue Wikipedia and English one but not Simplewiki.
Last year I just mentioned to the Simple English Wikipedia just as one of easy-reading materials for Second Language Acquisition. In a social bookmark service popular in Japan, perhaps related to my blog entry, Simplewiki yielded over 50 bookmarks just one day. And if I recall correctly, one of Simple English Wikipedia virtue is for non-natives education and convenience? Could we work more aggressively for our potential readership?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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Eh I'm sure this was discussed somewhere already... anyway, it brought a ton of new editors in, which was both good and bad (we desperately need more good editors, but not vandals!)
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For principal reasons, the establishing of "simple" Wikipedias is no longer allowed. But maybe they could become a Wikimedia project tyipe of their own, merged with the idea of a Wikipedia for juniors (Wikijunior). It is common that big publishers provide also an encyclopedia for children and young people, popular also with beginners in that peticular language. Kind regards Ziko
2009/3/8 Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com
I would like to encourage Simple English Wikipedia fans to blog about it ... particularly if you are non-English native speakers. The wiki is just not known. They might know their mother tongue Wikipedia and English one but not Simplewiki.
Last year I just mentioned to the Simple English Wikipedia just as one of easy-reading materials for Second Language Acquisition. In a social bookmark service popular in Japan, perhaps related to my blog entry, Simplewiki yielded over 50 bookmarks just one day. And if I recall correctly, one of Simple English Wikipedia virtue is for non-natives education and convenience? Could we work more aggressively for our potential readership?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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Eh I'm sure this was discussed somewhere already... anyway, it brought a
ton
of new editors in, which was both good and bad (we desperately need more good editors, but not vandals!)
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Ziko van Dijk wrote:
For principal reasons, the establishing of "simple" Wikipedias is no longer allowed.
Sorry, but I was under the impression that it was for bureaucratic reasons.
But maybe they could become a Wikimedia project tyipe of their own, merged with the idea of a Wikipedia for juniors (Wikijunior). It is common that big publishers provide also an encyclopedia for children and young people, popular also with beginners in that peticular language.
Whatever the medium, it still takes people to write it. Hosting a Simple project does not imply that it's utility is limited to children. The motivation of second language acquirers differs substantially from that of children. They may already be familiar with complex ideas in their first language, but just lacking the verbal skills to consider them in the second language.
Ec
There has been considerable argument here has been that it ought to be allowed. Speaking for myself, there are two I think I might be able to mange to work in , though i wouldn't attempt to write anything substantial for the regular versions. English speakers need encouragement not to be monolingual, and the added skills would help their work on the regular wiki.
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
For principal reasons, the establishing of "simple" Wikipedias is no longer allowed.
Sorry, but I was under the impression that it was for bureaucratic reasons.
But maybe they could become a Wikimedia project tyipe of their own, merged with the idea of a Wikipedia for juniors (Wikijunior). It is common that big publishers provide also an encyclopedia for children and young people, popular also with beginners in that peticular language.
Whatever the medium, it still takes people to write it. Hosting a Simple project does not imply that it's utility is limited to children. The motivation of second language acquirers differs substantially from that of children. They may already be familiar with complex ideas in their first language, but just lacking the verbal skills to consider them in the second language.
Ec
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As much as I appreciate the potential usefulness of Simple, I think it would work better if there were more strict guidelines on language usage instead of people arbitrarily "dumbing down" articles to fit their own ideas of what is simple.
2009/3/7 Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com:
I would like to encourage Simple English Wikipedia fans to blog about it ... particularly if you are non-English native speakers. The wiki is just not known. They might know their mother tongue Wikipedia and English one but not Simplewiki.
Last year I just mentioned to the Simple English Wikipedia just as one of easy-reading materials for Second Language Acquisition. In a social bookmark service popular in Japan, perhaps related to my blog entry, Simplewiki yielded over 50 bookmarks just one day. And if I recall correctly, one of Simple English Wikipedia virtue is for non-natives education and convenience? Could we work more aggressively for our potential readership?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
- d.
Eh I'm sure this was discussed somewhere already... anyway, it brought a ton of new editors in, which was both good and bad (we desperately need more good editors, but not vandals!)
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2009/3/8 Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com:
I would like to encourage Simple English Wikipedia fans to blog about it ... particularly if you are non-English native speakers. The wiki is just not known. They might know their mother tongue Wikipedia and English one but not Simplewiki.
I find it surprising how often people are only aware of the English Wikipedia and barely aware of their native language Wikipedia ... so I'm not surprised Simple is not well known.
- d.
We should all try the xkcd cure for a while : stick to short words on this list for a week and see where it gets us. (kat, is this curt's law? what sorts of threads are star-crossed to end this way?) SJ.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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Love it !
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