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Ziko van Dijk

5 Jan 2013 5 Jan '13

4:19 p.m.

Hello, See the chapter reports from the Netherlands (November and December 2012) here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederla… Kind regards, and the best wishes for 2013, Ziko -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht -----------------------------------------------------------

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Maarten Dammers

6 Jan 6 Jan

10:58 p.m.

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Dear Ziko, Op 5-1-2013 17:19, Ziko van Dijk schreef:

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Hello, See the chapter reports from the Netherlands (November and December 2012) here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederla…

Ziko van Dijk

11:06 p.m.

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I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them. Kind regards Ziko 2013/1/6 Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>nl>:

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Dear Ziko, Op 5-1-2013 17:19, Ziko van Dijk schreef:

Hello, See the chapter reports from the Netherlands (November and December 2012) here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederla…

Thanks for writing the report. Please always include the chapter report in your email and not just a link. Lodewijk already asked this countless times. Why do you insist on just sending links? Maarten _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Thomas Dalton

11:08 p.m.

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On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> wrote:

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I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them.

Sarah Stierch

11:30 p.m.

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I agree with Thomas, I have to admit :) Having a brief "in summary" of what links comprise of is common practice and would be fabulous! Every second counts in this world of mass stimulation and information. :) Sarah Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> wrote:

I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them.

The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least a list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not. (If the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole thing.) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Cornelius Kibelka

11:43 p.m.

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I agree as well. At least at short list of the main topics would help a lot. Regards, Cornelius ---- Cornelius Kibelka @jaancornelius +49-1520-7226062 On 7 January 2013 00:30, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> wrote:

I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them.

(If

the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole

thing.)

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Lodewijk

11:52 p.m.

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(just for the record: I also asked this offlist to Ziko, and did not coordinate this with others) I of course agree with Maarten (and while direct, his tone is imho not inappropriate). A summary would be fine too, although I suspect that just copypasting is actually less work than typing a summary. My main reason for asking to put it in the email, is that I quite often save this kind of reports until a time that I'm a train etc. Then there is no way I can go to meta. It is a little effort (if any), and you make it easier for a number of people. By the way, I must say I like the short style and consistent pace of the Dutch reports - a compliment should be made where appropriate! Best, Lodewijk 2013/1/7 Cornelius Kibelka <jckibelka(a)gmail.com>

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> On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl>

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>> >> I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is >> interested in the reports will easily find them. > > The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report > without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least

list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not.

(If

the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole

thing.)

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Ziko van Dijk

11:52 p.m.

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Hello, Rather the other way round, I'd question the sending of reports to lists, with regard to the information overload we get. If someone really is interested in the activities of a chapter, he or she can go to the chapter reports on Meta, and has a list of reports there. A short summary of the report would even create more work for the chapter. I really don't see the problem here. Kind regards Ziko 2013/1/7 Cornelius Kibelka <jckibelka(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> wrote:

I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them.

(If

the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole

thing.)

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Thehelpfulone

7 Jan 7 Jan

12:08 a.m.

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On 6 January 2013 23:52, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> wrote:

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You should also consider that people like to read on the go, that is on a mobile device and whilst Meta has the mobile site enabled, email often works best for many people. Think of it this way: if someone is going to make the effort to open an email to read its contents after looking at the subject line, then they'd presumably want to know more information - even if just a snippet as suggested previously - *in that email* rather than having to go elsewhere to find it. -- Thehelpfulone http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone

Bence Damokos

12:12 a.m.

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Hi, Copying the text of the reports and announcing when new reports are available are a nice courtesy. The last two WMNL reports are worth the click, some interesting stuff in there about hackathons, glam, open office days, board and staff changes, etc.; the time spent on prolonging this discussion could probably have been used for reading the reports either in the inbox or in a new tab (provided you have internet and a proper browser when reading this). In any case, if you prefer to be up to date on most reports, even those not posted on this list, you can follow @chaptersplanet on Twitter or sign up for the full text e-mail digest at chaptersplanet.org. Best regards, Bence -- Sent from mobile 2013.01.07. 0:53, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> ezt írta:

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I agree as well. At least at short list of the main topics would help a

lot.

Regards, Cornelius ---- Cornelius Kibelka @jaancornelius +49-1520-7226062 On 7 January 2013 00:30, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Thomas, I have to admit :) > > Having a brief "in summary" of what links comprise of is common practice > and would be fabulous! > > Every second counts in this world of mass stimulation and information.

> > Sarah > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>

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> > > On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl>

wrote:

> >> > >> I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is > >> interested in the reports will easily find them. > > > > The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report > > without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at

least a

> > list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or

not.

(If

the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole

thing.)

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Bence Damokos
Cornelius Kibelka
Lodewijk
Maarten Dammers
Sarah Stierch
Thehelpfulone
Thomas Dalton
Ziko van Dijk