Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please give us an update on the activities of the working group looking into the recommendations resulting from the 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
Have any conclusions been drawn, and are there any plans or discussions about implementing any of the recommendations?
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=w...
Andreas
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please give us an update on the activities of the working group looking into the recommendations resulting from the 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
Have any conclusions been drawn, and are there any plans or discussions about implementing any of the recommendations?
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=w...
Andreas
Hi Andreas! Thanks for asking. Sorry for the slow reply, I've been away on holiday the last couple of days and have not been online.
Also, my apologies for not posting an update before you asked. Things have been slowly moving but as yet no conclusions.
Here is what has happened since I sent my last update:
Over the winter holidays the membership of the working group changed due to the workload of other board committees. Jan-Bart and Kat stepped down and were replaced by Matt, Jimmy and Bishakha; I am still involved and agreed to chair the group. Of course any recommendations for statements or resolutions will go to the whole board. The Harrises are still involved as consultants on a "paid-as-needed" basis; if we want them to do any further research or facilitation they are available.
In my last message, I wrote that "The working group will be examining the recommendations more closely, soliciting Board member feedback on each of the recommendations to a greater degree than there was time for in the in-person meeting, working with the community and finally making a report to the full Board. The working group is expected to recommend next steps, including providing fuller analysis of the recommendations."
We did the first part of this (board member feedback); and are currently working on the analysis part. As you know the various recommendations fall into three kinds: philosophical, community-facing (such as changing specific community practices), and technical. I asked the WMF tech staff to spend some time looking into the recommendations that require technical work (7 & 9)* so that we can have more information about what's feasible and possible, and what it would take on the wmf/tech side and the community side. This does not mean they're developing these features now; it means I asked for possible specifications (since I am unfamiliar with what it would take in MediaWiki to make this happen) so the working group can make a more informed recommendation. The WMF won't develop anything without a board request.
You may notice that the "working with the community" part has been largely absent this winter. Beyond carefully reading** all of the public discussion to date, the working group has not actively worked with the community (at large) or specific community members. This is because I wanted to first focus on getting all of the board feedback and getting background information, and that has taken longer than I hoped. Of course we're not under the illusion that any changes can be made in how this organization works with controversial content (or even happily keeping the status quo) without community discussion (which there has been a lot of), consensus (which the recommendations were meant to help catalyze but afaik has not yet emerged), and hard work. I'd still suggest the meta talk pages along with commons policy pages as a good place to discuss the issue; and people can still help the working group by working on summarization, analysis, and procedure advice for going forward.
I'll say that the board does not yet have a formal position on this whole issue, and so I am hesitant to say much about that for fear of it being *taken* as an official board position.
You may read this message and think "ok, they're doing something" or you may read this message and think "the board has totally lost the way/not done their job on this issue" or you may not care :) Either way, feel free to write me or us, publicly or privately. Our next step as a working group will be a report to the board, likely at the march meeting.
-- phoebe
* recs 7 & 9: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_Study_of_Controversial_Content... ** I have also been working on summarizing all this discussion; a big job.
Hi Phoebe,
Thank you very much for the update.
Recommendations 7 and 9 are important points, and I am glad there is some work being done on them.
Do let us know again how things are progressing!
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content -- update To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Andreas Kolbe" jayen466@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 19:35 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please give us an update
on the activities of
the working group looking into the recommendations
resulting from the 2010
Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
Have any conclusions been drawn, and are there any
plans or discussions about
implementing any of the recommendations?
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=w...
Andreas
Hi Andreas! Thanks for asking. Sorry for the slow reply, I've been away on holiday the last couple of days and have not been online.
Also, my apologies for not posting an update before you asked. Things have been slowly moving but as yet no conclusions.
Here is what has happened since I sent my last update:
Over the winter holidays the membership of the working group changed due to the workload of other board committees. Jan-Bart and Kat stepped down and were replaced by Matt, Jimmy and Bishakha; I am still involved and agreed to chair the group. Of course any recommendations for statements or resolutions will go to the whole board. The Harrises are still involved as consultants on a "paid-as-needed" basis; if we want them to do any further research or facilitation they are available.
In my last message, I wrote that "The working group will be examining the recommendations more closely, soliciting Board member feedback on each of the recommendations to a greater degree than there was time for in the in-person meeting, working with the community and finally making a report to the full Board. The working group is expected to recommend next steps, including providing fuller analysis of the recommendations."
We did the first part of this (board member feedback); and are currently working on the analysis part. As you know the various recommendations fall into three kinds: philosophical, community-facing (such as changing specific community practices), and technical. I asked the WMF tech staff to spend some time looking into the recommendations that require technical work (7 & 9)* so that we can have more information about what's feasible and possible, and what it would take on the wmf/tech side and the community side. This does not mean they're developing these features now; it means I asked for possible specifications (since I am unfamiliar with what it would take in MediaWiki to make this happen) so the working group can make a more informed recommendation. The WMF won't develop anything without a board request.
You may notice that the "working with the community" part has been largely absent this winter. Beyond carefully reading** all of the public discussion to date, the working group has not actively worked with the community (at large) or specific community members. This is because I wanted to first focus on getting all of the board feedback and getting background information, and that has taken longer than I hoped. Of course we're not under the illusion that any changes can be made in how this organization works with controversial content (or even happily keeping the status quo) without community discussion (which there has been a lot of), consensus (which the recommendations were meant to help catalyze but afaik has not yet emerged), and hard work. I'd still suggest the meta talk pages along with commons policy pages as a good place to discuss the issue; and people can still help the working group by working on summarization, analysis, and procedure advice for going forward.
I'll say that the board does not yet have a formal position on this whole issue, and so I am hesitant to say much about that for fear of it being *taken* as an official board position.
You may read this message and think "ok, they're doing something" or you may read this message and think "the board has totally lost the way/not done their job on this issue" or you may not care :) Either way, feel free to write me or us, publicly or privately. Our next step as a working group will be a report to the board, likely at the march meeting.
-- phoebe
** I have also been working on summarizing all this discussion; a big job.
Hi Phoebe,
What is the current status with regard to the recommendations from the 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
From what I can see, a proposal based on the study was generated at
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_image_filter
and the proposal was subsequently presented and discussed at the Board Meeting in Berlin, in late March.
How did that go? Any further developments?
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content -- update To: "phoebe ayers" phoebe.wiki@gmail.com, "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 22:54 Hi Phoebe,
Thank you very much for the update.
Recommendations 7 and 9 are important points, and I am glad there is some work being done on them.
Do let us know again how things are progressing!
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of
Controversial Content -- update
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Andreas Kolbe" jayen466@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 19:35 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please give us an
update
on the activities of
the working group looking into the
recommendations
resulting from the 2010
Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
Have any conclusions been drawn, and are there
any
plans or discussions about
implementing any of the recommendations?
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=w...
Andreas
Hi Andreas! Thanks for asking. Sorry for the slow
reply,
I've been away on holiday the last couple of days and have not
been
online.
Also, my apologies for not posting an update before
you
asked. Things have been slowly moving but as yet no conclusions.
Here is what has happened since I sent my last
update:
Over the winter holidays the membership of the
working
group changed due to the workload of other board committees.
Jan-Bart and
Kat stepped down and were replaced by Matt, Jimmy and
Bishakha;
I am still involved and agreed to chair the group. Of course any recommendations for statements or resolutions will go to the whole
board.
The Harrises are still involved as consultants on a
"paid-as-needed"
basis; if we want them to do any further research or facilitation
they
are available.
In my last message, I wrote that "The working group
will be
examining the recommendations more closely, soliciting Board
member
feedback on each of the recommendations to a greater degree than
there
was time for in the in-person meeting, working with the
community
and finally making a report to the full Board. The working group
is
expected to recommend next steps, including providing fuller
analysis
of the recommendations."
We did the first part of this (board member feedback);
and
are currently working on the analysis part. As you know
the
various recommendations fall into three kinds: philosophical, community-facing (such as changing specific community practices), and technical. I asked the WMF tech staff to spend some time looking
into
the recommendations that require technical work (7 &
9)* so
that we can have more information about what's feasible and
possible,
and what it would take on the wmf/tech side and the community
side.
This does not mean they're developing these features now; it means
I
asked for possible specifications (since I am unfamiliar with
what it
would take in MediaWiki to make this happen) so the working group
can
make a more informed recommendation. The WMF won't develop
anything
without a board request.
You may notice that the "working with the community"
part
has been largely absent this winter. Beyond carefully reading**
all
of the public discussion to date, the working group has not actively worked with the community (at large) or specific community members. This is because I wanted to first focus on getting all of the
board
feedback and getting background information, and that has
taken
longer than I hoped. Of course we're not under the illusion that
any
changes can be made in how this organization works with
controversial
content (or even happily keeping the status quo) without
community
discussion (which there has been a lot of), consensus (which the recommendations were meant to help catalyze but afaik has not yet
emerged),
and hard work. I'd still suggest the meta talk pages along
with
commons policy pages as a good place to discuss the issue; and people
can
still help the working group by working on summarization,
analysis,
and procedure advice for going forward.
I'll say that the board does not yet have a formal
position
on this whole issue, and so I am hesitant to say much about
that
for fear of it being *taken* as an official board position.
You may read this message and think "ok, they're
doing
something" or you may read this message and think "the board has
totally
lost the way/not done their job on this issue" or you may not
care
:) Either way, feel free to write me or us, publicly or
privately.
Our next step as a working group will be a report to the board,
likely at
the march meeting.
-- phoebe
** I have also been working on summarizing all this discussion; a big job.
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Hi Andreas,
Well, as promised a report from the board working group was presented to the full board (including information on the draft spec that you linked below, which is open for comment but certainly not set in stone), the matter was discussed at the March meeting as one of the many items on the agenda, and after the meeting we have been discussing a board resolution/next steps. Pretty typical. The minutes for the march meeting should be out soon.
( Incidentally, a general note on board process for those interested -- guidelines for board deliberations were passed in July, and can be seen here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Board_deliberations
The upshot is that a resolution takes three weeks minimum from the time of being proposed to passing, except in extraordinary/emergency cases. Two weeks of discussion, then a week of voting, and that does not account for extra time spent writing various drafts or discussing, or delays caused by exhausted committee chairs :) The time period tries to take into account the schedules of 10 very busy people, at least a handful of whom are traveling at any given time, as well as allow for enough time to seriously debate each resolution and take care with the wording.
So that, in a nutshell, is why sometimes things seem to take forever! )
-- phoebe
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Phoebe,
What is the current status with regard to the recommendations from the 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
From what I can see, a proposal based on the study was generated at
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_image_filter
and the proposal was subsequently presented and discussed at the Board Meeting in Berlin, in late March.
How did that go? Any further developments?
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content -- update To: "phoebe ayers" phoebe.wiki@gmail.com, "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 22:54 Hi Phoebe,
Thank you very much for the update.
Recommendations 7 and 9 are important points, and I am glad there is some work being done on them.
Do let us know again how things are progressing!
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of
Controversial Content -- update
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Andreas Kolbe" jayen466@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 19:35 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please give us an
update
on the activities of
the working group looking into the
recommendations
resulting from the 2010
Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
Have any conclusions been drawn, and are there
any
plans or discussions about
implementing any of the recommendations?
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=w...
Andreas
Hi Andreas! Thanks for asking. Sorry for the slow
reply,
I've been away on holiday the last couple of days and have not
been
online.
Also, my apologies for not posting an update before
you
asked. Things have been slowly moving but as yet no conclusions.
Here is what has happened since I sent my last
update:
Over the winter holidays the membership of the
working
group changed due to the workload of other board committees.
Jan-Bart and
Kat stepped down and were replaced by Matt, Jimmy and
Bishakha;
I am still involved and agreed to chair the group. Of course any recommendations for statements or resolutions will go to the whole
board.
The Harrises are still involved as consultants on a
"paid-as-needed"
basis; if we want them to do any further research or facilitation
they
are available.
In my last message, I wrote that "The working group
will be
examining the recommendations more closely, soliciting Board
member
feedback on each of the recommendations to a greater degree than
there
was time for in the in-person meeting, working with the
community
and finally making a report to the full Board. The working group
is
expected to recommend next steps, including providing fuller
analysis
of the recommendations."
We did the first part of this (board member feedback);
and
are currently working on the analysis part. As you know
the
various recommendations fall into three kinds: philosophical, community-facing (such as changing specific community practices), and technical. I asked the WMF tech staff to spend some time looking
into
the recommendations that require technical work (7 &
9)* so
that we can have more information about what's feasible and
possible,
and what it would take on the wmf/tech side and the community
side.
This does not mean they're developing these features now; it means
I
asked for possible specifications (since I am unfamiliar with
what it
would take in MediaWiki to make this happen) so the working group
can
make a more informed recommendation. The WMF won't develop
anything
without a board request.
You may notice that the "working with the community"
part
has been largely absent this winter. Beyond carefully reading**
all
of the public discussion to date, the working group has not actively worked with the community (at large) or specific community members. This is because I wanted to first focus on getting all of the
board
feedback and getting background information, and that has
taken
longer than I hoped. Of course we're not under the illusion that
any
changes can be made in how this organization works with
controversial
content (or even happily keeping the status quo) without
community
discussion (which there has been a lot of), consensus (which the recommendations were meant to help catalyze but afaik has not yet
emerged),
and hard work. I'd still suggest the meta talk pages along
with
commons policy pages as a good place to discuss the issue; and people
can
still help the working group by working on summarization,
analysis,
and procedure advice for going forward.
I'll say that the board does not yet have a formal
position
on this whole issue, and so I am hesitant to say much about
that
for fear of it being *taken* as an official board position.
You may read this message and think "ok, they're
doing
something" or you may read this message and think "the board has
totally
lost the way/not done their job on this issue" or you may not
care
:) Either way, feel free to write me or us, publicly or
privately.
Our next step as a working group will be a report to the board,
likely at
the march meeting.
-- phoebe
** I have also been working on summarizing all this discussion; a big job.
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Thanks for the update, Phoebe, and best wishes.
Andreas
--- On Wed, 18/5/11, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content -- update To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, 18 May, 2011, 20:26 Hi Andreas,
Well, as promised a report from the board working group was presented to the full board (including information on the draft spec that you linked below, which is open for comment but certainly not set in stone), the matter was discussed at the March meeting as one of the many items on the agenda, and after the meeting we have been discussing a board resolution/next steps. Pretty typical. The minutes for the march meeting should be out soon.
( Incidentally, a general note on board process for those interested -- guidelines for board deliberations were passed in July, and can be seen here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Board_deliberations
The upshot is that a resolution takes three weeks minimum from the time of being proposed to passing, except in extraordinary/emergency cases. Two weeks of discussion, then a week of voting, and that does not account for extra time spent writing various drafts or discussing, or delays caused by exhausted committee chairs :) The time period tries to take into account the schedules of 10 very busy people, at least a handful of whom are traveling at any given time, as well as allow for enough time to seriously debate each resolution and take care with the wording.
So that, in a nutshell, is why sometimes things seem to take forever! )
-- phoebe
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Phoebe,
What is the current status with regard to the
recommendations from the
2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
From what I can see, a proposal based on the study was
generated at
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_image_filter
and the proposal was subsequently presented and
discussed at the Board
Meeting in Berlin, in late March.
How did that go? Any further developments?
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com
wrote:
From: Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study
of Controversial Content -- update
To: "phoebe ayers" phoebe.wiki@gmail.com,
"Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 22:54 Hi Phoebe,
Thank you very much for the update.
Recommendations 7 and 9 are important points, and
I am glad
there is some work being done on them.
Do let us know again how things are progressing!
Best, Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia
Study of
Controversial Content -- update
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: "Andreas Kolbe" jayen466@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 19:35 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please
give us an
update
on the activities of
the working group looking into the
recommendations
resulting from the 2010
Wikimedia Study of Controversial
Content?
Have any conclusions been drawn, and are
there
any
plans or discussions about
implementing any of the
recommendations?
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=w...
Andreas
Hi Andreas! Thanks for asking. Sorry for the
slow
reply,
I've been away on holiday the last couple of days and
have not
been
online.
Also, my apologies for not posting an update
before
you
asked. Things have been slowly moving but as yet no
conclusions.
Here is what has happened since I sent my
last
update:
Over the winter holidays the membership of
the
working
group changed due to the workload of other board
committees.
Jan-Bart and
Kat stepped down and were replaced by Matt, Jimmy
and
Bishakha;
I am still involved and agreed to chair the group. Of
course any
recommendations for statements or resolutions will go to the
whole
board.
The Harrises are still involved as consultants on a
"paid-as-needed"
basis; if we want them to do any further research or
facilitation
they
are available.
In my last message, I wrote that "The working
group
will be
examining the recommendations more closely, soliciting
Board
member
feedback on each of the recommendations to a greater
degree than
there
was time for in the in-person meeting, working with
the
community
and finally making a report to the full Board. The
working group
is
expected to recommend next steps, including providing
fuller
analysis
of the recommendations."
We did the first part of this (board member
feedback);
and
are currently working on the analysis part. As
you know
the
various recommendations fall into three kinds:
philosophical,
community-facing (such as changing specific community
practices), and
technical. I asked the WMF tech staff to spend some time
looking
into
the recommendations that require technical work
(7 &
9)* so
that we can have more information about what's feasible
and
possible,
and what it would take on the wmf/tech side and the
community
side.
This does not mean they're developing these features now;
it means
I
asked for possible specifications (since I am
unfamiliar with
what it
would take in MediaWiki to make this happen) so the
working group
can
make a more informed recommendation. The WMF won't
develop
anything
without a board request.
You may notice that the "working with the
community"
part
has been largely absent this winter. Beyond carefully
reading**
all
of the public discussion to date, the working group
has not
actively worked with the community (at large) or specific
community
members. This is because I wanted to first focus on getting
all of the
board
feedback and getting background information, and that
has
taken
longer than I hoped. Of course we're not under the illusion
that
any
changes can be made in how this organization works with
controversial
content (or even happily keeping the status quo) without
community
discussion (which there has been a lot of), consensus
(which the
recommendations were meant to help catalyze but afaik has not
yet
emerged),
and hard work. I'd still suggest the meta talk pages
along
with
commons policy pages as a good place to discuss the issue;
and people
can
still help the working group by working on
summarization,
analysis,
and procedure advice for going forward.
I'll say that the board does not yet have a
formal
position
on this whole issue, and so I am hesitant to say much
about
that
for fear of it being *taken* as an official board
position.
You may read this message and think "ok,
they're
doing
something" or you may read this message and think "the
board has
totally
lost the way/not done their job on this issue" or you
may not
care
:) Either way, feel free to write me or us, publicly
or
privately.
Our next step as a working group will be a report to the
board,
likely at
the march meeting.
-- phoebe
** I have also been working on summarizing
all this
discussion; a big job.
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