Thanks for the update, Phoebe, and best wishes.
Andreas
--- On Wed, 18/5/11, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content -- update
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wednesday, 18 May, 2011, 20:26
Hi Andreas,
Well, as promised a report from the board working group was
presented
to the full board (including information on the draft spec
that you
linked below, which is open for comment but certainly not
set in
stone), the matter was discussed at the March meeting as
one of the
many items on the agenda, and after the meeting we have
been
discussing a board resolution/next steps. Pretty typical.
The minutes
for the march meeting should be out soon.
( Incidentally, a general note on board process for those
interested
-- guidelines for board deliberations were passed in July,
and can be
seen here:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Board_deliberations
The upshot is that a resolution takes three weeks minimum
from the
time of being proposed to passing, except in
extraordinary/emergency
cases. Two weeks of discussion, then a week of voting, and
that does
not account for extra time spent writing various drafts or
discussing,
or delays caused by exhausted committee chairs :) The time
period
tries to take into account the schedules of 10 very busy
people, at
least a handful of whom are traveling at any given time, as
well as
allow for enough time to seriously debate each resolution
and take
care with the wording.
So that, in a nutshell, is why sometimes things seem to
take forever! )
-- phoebe
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi Phoebe,
What is the current status with regard to the
recommendations from the
2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content?
From what I can see, a proposal based on the study was
generated at
discussed at the Board
Meeting in Berlin, in late March.
How did that go? Any further developments?
Best,
Andreas
--- On Sun, 20/2/11, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
> From: Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study
of Controversial Content --
update
> To: "phoebe ayers"
<phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>,
"Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 22:54
> Hi Phoebe,
>
> Thank you very much for the update.
>
> Recommendations 7 and 9 are important points, and
I am glad
> there is some work being done on them.
>
> Do let us know again how things are progressing!
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
> --- On Sun, 20/2/11, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia
Study of
> Controversial Content -- update
> > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Cc: "Andreas Kolbe"
<jayen466(a)yahoo.com>
> > Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 19:35
> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:26 AM,
> > Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Could Phoebe, Jan-Bart or Kat please
give us an
> update
> > on the activities of
> > > the working group looking into the
> recommendations
> > resulting from the 2010
> > > Wikimedia Study of Controversial
Content?
> > >
> > > Have any conclusions been drawn, and are
there
> any
> > plans or discussions about
> > > implementing any of the
recommendations?
> > >
> > >
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/215066?search_string=…
> > >
> > > Andreas
> >
> > Hi Andreas! Thanks for asking. Sorry for the
slow
> reply,
> > I've been
> > away on holiday the last couple of days and
have not
> been
> > online.
> >
> > Also, my apologies for not posting an update
before
> you
> > asked. Things
> > have been slowly moving but as yet no
conclusions.
> >
> > Here is what has happened since I sent my
last
> update:
> >
> > Over the winter holidays the membership of
the
> working
> > group changed
> > due to the workload of other board
committees.
> Jan-Bart and
> > Kat
> > stepped down and were replaced by Matt, Jimmy
and
> Bishakha;
> > I am still
> > involved and agreed to chair the group. Of
course any
> > recommendations
> > for statements or resolutions will go to the
whole
> board.
> > The Harrises
> > are still involved as consultants on a
> "paid-as-needed"
> > basis; if we
> > want them to do any further research or
facilitation
> they
> > are
> > available.
> >
> > In my last message, I wrote that "The working
group
> will be
> > examining
> > the recommendations more closely, soliciting
Board
> member
> > feedback on
> > each of the recommendations to a greater
degree than
> there
> > was time
> > for in the in-person meeting, working with
the
> community
> > and finally
> > making a report to the full Board. The
working group
> is
> > expected to
> > recommend next steps, including providing
fuller
> analysis
> > of the
> > recommendations."
> >
> > We did the first part of this (board member
feedback);
> and
> > are
> > currently working on the analysis part. As
you know
> the
> > various
> > recommendations fall into three kinds:
philosophical,
> > community-facing
> > (such as changing specific community
practices), and
> > technical. I
> > asked the WMF tech staff to spend some time
looking
> into
> > the
> > recommendations that require technical work
(7 &
> 9)* so
> > that we can
> > have more information about what's feasible
and
> possible,
> > and what it
> > would take on the wmf/tech side and the
community
> side.
> > This does not
> > mean they're developing these features now;
it means
> I
> > asked for
> > possible specifications (since I am
unfamiliar with
> what it
> > would take
> > in MediaWiki to make this happen) so the
working group
> can
> > make a more
> > informed recommendation. The WMF won't
develop
> anything
> > without a
> > board request.
> >
> > You may notice that the "working with the
community"
> part
> > has been
> > largely absent this winter. Beyond carefully
reading**
> all
> > of the
> > public discussion to date, the working group
has not
> > actively worked
> > with the community (at large) or specific
community
> > members. This is
> > because I wanted to first focus on getting
all of the
> board
> > feedback
> > and getting background information, and that
has
> taken
> > longer than I
> > hoped. Of course we're not under the illusion
that
> any
> > changes can be
> > made in how this organization works with
> controversial
> > content (or
> > even happily keeping the status quo) without
> community
> > discussion
> > (which there has been a lot of), consensus
(which the
> > recommendations
> > were meant to help catalyze but afaik has not
yet
> emerged),
> > and hard
> > work. I'd still suggest the meta talk pages
along
> with
> > commons policy
> > pages as a good place to discuss the issue;
and people
> can
> > still help
> > the working group by working on
summarization,
> analysis,
> > and procedure
> > advice for going forward.
> >
> > I'll say that the board does not yet have a
formal
> position
> > on this
> > whole issue, and so I am hesitant to say much
about
> that
> > for fear of
> > it being *taken* as an official board
position.
> >
> > You may read this message and think "ok,
they're
> doing
> > something" or
> > you may read this message and think "the
board has
> totally
> > lost the
> > way/not done their job on this issue" or you
may not
> care
> > :) Either
> > way, feel free to write me or us, publicly
or
> privately.
> > Our next step
> > as a working group will be a report to the
board,
> likely at
> > the march
> > meeting.
> >
> > -- phoebe
> >
> >
> > * recs 7 & 9:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_Study_of_Controversial_Conten…
> > ** I have also been working on summarizing
all this
discussion; a big job.
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