Forwarded on behalf of a non-list-member.
The question pertains to translation of trademarks within articles; to my knowledge, there's nothing wrong with us doing so, and I think this is done in many Wikipedias. But I'll defer to the list on this question.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amir sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM Subject: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia To: foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello, I'm one of Persian wikipedia users.for making pages same name of trademarks (e.g. films ,games.etc.) we have several choices: 1-we use same name and same alphabetical with trademark(e.g. Google-->Google) 2-we same name but Persian Script(e.g. Call of duty-->کال آو دیوتی/KAL AV DIUTI/) 3-we translate it(Prince of Persian-->شاهزاده ایرانی /SHAHZADE IRANI means Prince of Persia) Users of Persian wikipedia (with consequence) use third way usually but I think change of trademarks is crime and maybe create legal problem for the Foundation
Please tell us what we do or maybe i think wrong please tell me. Thanks and best wishes -- Amir
I think the immediate question would be this: Ignoring the question of trademark infringement for the moment, what way would the Persian Wikipedia WANT to do it? Is there a standard that is used for non-trademarked things when there is no Persian word in existence to describe the title? For example, hypothetically, lets say "water" had no direct Persian equivalent. Would users prefer option 1 ("water" in English script) or option 2 (Persian script that phonetically spells out "water")? It would make sense to me that where Option 3 exists, it would be the preferred option, but what about when it doesn't?
-Dan
On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
Forwarded on behalf of a non-list-member.
The question pertains to translation of trademarks within articles; to my knowledge, there's nothing wrong with us doing so, and I think this is done in many Wikipedias. But I'll defer to the list on this question.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amir sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM Subject: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia To: foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello, I'm one of Persian wikipedia users.for making pages same name of trademarks (e.g. films ,games.etc.) we have several choices: 1-we use same name and same alphabetical with trademark(e.g. Google-->Google) 2-we same name but Persian Script(e.g. Call of duty-->کال آو دیوتی/KAL AV DIUTI/) 3-we translate it(Prince of Persian-->شاهزاده ایرانی /SHAHZADE IRANI means Prince of Persia) Users of Persian wikipedia (with consequence) use third way usually but I think change of trademarks is crime and maybe create legal problem for the Foundation
Please tell us what we do or maybe i think wrong please tell me. Thanks and best wishes -- Amir _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
The best option according to us (Malayalam Wikipedians - http://ml.wikipedia.org) is to use the second option for the article titles . That is, transliterate the keyword to your language.
There is no copyright issue attached with that, I suppose. We do that throughout our daily life. For example, local language News Paper, TV reports, and so on.
According to me translating (third option) the book name,film name, or company name and so on is a bad idea from Encyclopedic point of view. You can have translated articlke titels if there is a translated version of the book/film available in your language.
For example, in malayalam wikipedia we have an article about Imitation of the Christ http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imitation_of_Christ_%28book%29. In this article, the information about the original book is provided. Please note that the article title is the transliteration of the original title of the book.
We also have another article for the translated version of this book ( ക്രിസ്തുദേവാനുകരണംhttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%A6%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%A8%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%A3%E0%B4%82) to Malayalam. This article provides information about the translated version of the original book.
Hope this helps.
Shiju
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral315@gmail.comwrote:
Forwarded on behalf of a non-list-member.
The question pertains to translation of trademarks within articles; to my knowledge, there's nothing wrong with us doing so, and I think this is done in many Wikipedias. But I'll defer to the list on this question.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amir sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM Subject: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia To: foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello, I'm one of Persian wikipedia users.for making pages same name of trademarks (e.g. films ,games.etc.) we have several choices: 1-we use same name and same alphabetical with trademark(e.g. Google-->Google) 2-we same name but Persian Script(e.g. Call of duty-->کال آو دیوتی/KAL AV DIUTI/) 3-we translate it(Prince of Persian-->شاهزاده ایرانی /SHAHZADE IRANI means Prince of Persia) Users of Persian wikipedia (with consequence) use third way usually but I think change of trademarks is crime and maybe create legal problem for the Foundation
Please tell us what we do or maybe i think wrong please tell me. Thanks and best wishes -- Amir _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
On 10 June 2010 06:09, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral315@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarded on behalf of a non-list-member.
The question pertains to translation of trademarks within articles; to my knowledge, there's nothing wrong with us doing so, and I think this is done in many Wikipedias. But I'll defer to the list on this question.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amir sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM Subject: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia To: foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello, I'm one of Persian wikipedia users.for making pages same name of trademarks (e.g. films ,games.etc.) we have several choices: 1-we use same name and same alphabetical with trademark(e.g. Google-->Google) 2-we same name but Persian Script(e.g. Call of duty-->کال آو دیوتی/KAL AV DIUTI/) 3-we translate it(Prince of Persian-->شاهزاده ایرانی /SHAHZADE IRANI means Prince of Persia) Users of Persian wikipedia (with consequence) use third way usually but I think change of trademarks is crime and maybe create legal problem for the Foundation
Please tell us what we do or maybe i think wrong please tell me. Thanks and best wishes -- Amir
Since wikipedia is not offering any goods or services under the mark we can pretty much do what we like.
I think that we cannot decide this for you, this is typically something you (that is, the Persian Wikipedia community) have to decide themselves. Having said that, the best strategy in my opinion would be to do whatever is usual in Persian texts - which might well be different for different trademarks.
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