Hi guys.
Just how many GLAM lists do we have?
Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the "paris group" (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others.
Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them?
Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more.
I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians.
Yours sincerely, Base
The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think.
pb
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk base-w@yandex.ru wrote:
Hi guys.
Just how many GLAM lists do we have?
Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the "paris group" (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others.
Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them?
Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more.
I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians.
Yours sincerely, Base
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Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by lists.wikimedia.org.
E.g. cultural partnership is here:
https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners
Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not suffice. Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can write rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to concentrate data in one place is to be considered. --Base
On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think.
pb
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk base-w@yandex.ru wrote:
Hi guys.
Just how many GLAM lists do we have?
Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the "paris group" (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others.
Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them?
Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more.
I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians.
Yours sincerely, Base
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On 8 June 2015 at 23:35, Bohdan Melnychuk base-w@yandex.ru wrote:
I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians.
"Cabalish" is rather a pejorative term. We have a closed GLAM list so that we can have frank discussions without embarrassing our partner organisations. if ether was no such list, then those discussions would move to private emails, not become public.
By cabalish I mean not closed lists with clear membership process as cultural partners is but the like of the paris group where you've got to be a part of a cabal in order to even know about it (or have cabal member mention it somewhere in front of you).
--Base
On 10.06.2015 13:46, Andy Mabbett wrote:
On 8 June 2015 at 23:35, Bohdan Melnychuk base-w@yandex.ru wrote:
I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians.
"Cabalish" is rather a pejorative term. We have a closed GLAM list so that we can have frank discussions without embarrassing our partner organisations. if ether was no such list, then those discussions would move to private emails, not become public.
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