I'm skeptical that the online mobile apps are a good use of resources, with their very meager usage, especially relative to the several engineers tasked to support them, their questionable accessibility aspects, declining app store ratings, and other issues involving content substitution which have recently come up on this list, not to mention breaking the cross-platform nature of the web. I note that it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm
However, I wholeheartedly support this new offline app project, and hope that it will be the primary focus of the Foundation's app-not-web efforts going forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support/V1_User_resear...
Huge thanks to whomever directed this pivot!
I note that it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews for en.wikipedia.
The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageview...
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:44 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
I'm skeptical that the online mobile apps are a good use of resources, with their very meager usage, especially relative to the several engineers tasked to support them, their questionable accessibility aspects, declining app store ratings, and other issues involving content substitution which have recently come up on this list, not to mention breaking the cross-platform nature of the web. I note that it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm
However, I wholeheartedly support this new offline app project, and hope that it will be the primary focus of the Foundation's app-not-web efforts going forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_ support/V1_User_research
Huge thanks to whomever directed this pivot!
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The alpha version of the Wikipedia apps now supports offline ZIMs. With this ability these apps join the efforts to provide Wikipedia to the more than 4 billion people who do not have reliable Internet. Figuring out the impact of offline is much harder than that of online. A good app is important as offline builds off this base.
James
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
I note that it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews for en.wikipedia.
The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageview...
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:44 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
I'm skeptical that the online mobile apps are a good use of resources, with their very meager usage, especially relative to the several engineers tasked to support them, their questionable accessibility aspects, declining app store ratings, and other issues involving content substitution which have recently come up on this list, not to mention breaking the cross-platform nature of the web. I note that it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm
However, I wholeheartedly support this new offline app project, and hope that it will be the primary focus of the Foundation's app-not-web efforts going forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_ support/V1_User_research
Huge thanks to whomever directed this pivot!
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On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews for en.wikipedia.
The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageview...
Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%. Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from mobile apps?
-- Legoktm
Yes, mobile app page views are much closer to 1.5% than 0.0006%, my mistake, I used the WAP row with 116,000 page views in 2015 instead of the 784,000,000 pageviews of the mobile app.
I caught the error after pressing "Send", but I decided that it didn't need to be corrected, given that the Strategic Direction document still says, "in the next 15 years, the languages that will be the most spoken are primarily those that currently lack good content and strong Wikimedia communities," citing a table which predicts the most widely spoken languages in 2050, which in turn cites a report which says nothing about 2050, but does say, "Mandarin is the most spoken language globally."
Mandarin is not the most widely spoken language: https://assets.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1510B15-languages-most...
And it's growing much more slowly than English is: https://revolutioninlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/14j3i4hyjvi88-0p0of...
I would have corrected the error promptly if there was evidence that respect for the truth was more highly regarded.
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews for en.wikipedia.
The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageview...
Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%. Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from mobile apps?
-- Legoktm
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Hey James,
I'm glad to see that something made you happy this week.
I'd like to note that the whole idea of 'what made me happy this week' is to also have some positive conversations about things that excite us. Which kind of becomes moot when you start the message with complaints of what you don't like (which then takes over the whole message).
I hope you can next time focus on the positive component, and restrain yourself from sharing all the things you don't like - at least from threads that start with "what made me happy this week" :)
Thank you, Lodewijk
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, mobile app page views are much closer to 1.5% than 0.0006%, my mistake, I used the WAP row with 116,000 page views in 2015 instead of the 784,000,000 pageviews of the mobile app.
I caught the error after pressing "Send", but I decided that it didn't need to be corrected, given that the Strategic Direction document still says, "in the next 15 years, the languages that will be the most spoken are primarily those that currently lack good content and strong Wikimedia communities," citing a table which predicts the most widely spoken languages in 2050, which in turn cites a report which says nothing about 2050, but does say, "Mandarin is the most spoken language globally."
Mandarin is not the most widely spoken language: https://assets.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ 1510B15-languages-most-speakers-english-chinese-chart.png
And it's growing much more slowly than English is: https://revolutioninlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ 14j3i4hyjvi88-0p0ofe-english-speakers-learners-1.jpg
I would have corrected the error promptly if there was evidence that respect for the truth was more highly regarded.
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular
tool
to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews for en.wikipedia.
The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org
Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%. Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from mobile apps?
-- Legoktm
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Good point. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Internet-in-a-Box made me even happier, and getting to explain to wikipedians-since-2003 in person that the work they have done is literally equivalent to thousands of years working on traditional academic literature made me happier still.
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hey James,
I'm glad to see that something made you happy this week.
I'd like to note that the whole idea of 'what made me happy this week' is to also have some positive conversations about things that excite us. Which kind of becomes moot when you start the message with complaints of what you don't like (which then takes over the whole message).
I hope you can next time focus on the positive component, and restrain yourself from sharing all the things you don't like - at least from threads that start with "what made me happy this week" :)
Thank you, Lodewijk
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, mobile app page views are much closer to 1.5% than 0.0006%, my mistake, I used the WAP row with 116,000 page views in 2015 instead of the 784,000,000 pageviews of the mobile app.
I caught the error after pressing "Send", but I decided that it didn't need to be corrected, given that the Strategic Direction document still says, "in the next 15 years, the languages that will be the most spoken are primarily those that currently lack good content and strong Wikimedia communities," citing a table which predicts the most widely spoken languages in 2050, which in turn cites a report which says nothing about 2050, but does say, "Mandarin is the most spoken language globally."
Mandarin is not the most widely spoken language: https://assets.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ 1510B15-languages-most-speakers-english-chinese-chart.png
And it's growing much more slowly than English is: https://revolutioninlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ 14j3i4hyjvi88-0p0ofe-english-speakers-learners-1.jpg
I would have corrected the error promptly if there was evidence that respect for the truth was more highly regarded.
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular
tool
to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews for en.wikipedia.
The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org
Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%. Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from mobile apps?
-- Legoktm
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