This is beautiful. Nice to see Open edX in use. Feels like incentive to package a range of workshops and materials up in a reusable and discoverable way! Open to WikiEdu + other community courses also? SJ On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:25 PM Cassie Casares <ccasares(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

If you're planning to iron out some kinks: here's a suggestion: In the introduction to the course it is claimed that victims of harassment "may even develop broad health issues that continue long-after their harassment has stopp​ed" that include (among other things) stomach ulcers. It is well know that the main causes of Peptic ulcer disease are the bacteria Helicobacter pylori, NSAIDs and tobacco smoking. Perpetuating the myth that stress causes, rather than plays a role in, the formation of stomach ulcers is unhelpful. Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, May 11th, 2022 at 6:50 PM, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

No. There is no change to Wikiversity. It remains... what it is. A. Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:24 PM Mike Peel &lt;email(a)mikepeel.net&gt; wrote:

Mike, As I understand it, this platform is for curated courses related to editing Wikipedia. Wikiversity has a much wider scope. I don't see a conflict between them. Best, Rae ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ User:Vermont <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont> on Wikimedia projects they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter <https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why>) On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 6:50 PM Mike Peel &lt;email(a)mikepeel.net&gt; wrote:

Ah, OK, so it's not "intended to serve the entire Wikimedia movement!" - it's focused on internal Wikimedia training, not external users? I missed that, sorry, and thanks for the correction. It's still quite embarrassing that WMF doesn't like 'dogfooding': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food Particularly when projects like Wikiversity are in dire need of technical support, and WMF is putting technical effort into running platforms like this rather than putting that effort into improving our own projects. Imagine if Google said "to find out how to suggest an edit on Google Maps, search on our local installation of Bing for help"? Thanks, Mike On 13/5/22 00:00:42, Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l wrote: > Mike, > > As I understand it, this platform is for curated courses related to > editing Wikipedia. Wikiversity has a much wider scope. I don't see a > conflict between them. > > Best, > Rae > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > User:Vermont <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont> on Wikimedia > projects > they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter > <https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why>) > > > On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 6:50 PM Mike Peel &lt;email(a)mikepeel.net > <mailto:email@mikepeel.net>> wrote: > > But if WMF is choosing to actively support and develop a new > platform for this kind of activity, and continues to not support > Wikiversity to do the same, that’s quite a clear message? > > Thanks, > Mike > >> On 12 May 2022, at 22:57, Asaf Bartov &lt;abartov(a)wikimedia.org >> <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>> wrote: >> >>  >> No. There is no change to Wikiversity. It remains... what it is. >> >>    A. >> >> >> >> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >> >> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities >> >> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> >> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >> https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org> >> >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:24 PM Mike Peel &lt;email(a)mikepeel.net >> <mailto:email@mikepeel.net>> wrote: >> >> So ... is that the end of Wikiversity? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> >> On 11/5/22 23:50:48, Asaf Bartov wrote: >> > Yes, the platform is intended to serve the entire Wikimedia >> movement! >> > >> > We plan to pilot with some trusted affiliates first, to iron >> out kinks >> > and to take our time co-creating governance structures for >> the platform >> > with the broader community.  Once those are in place, >> authoring on the >> > platform would become available to all Wikimedians. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> >     A. >> > >> > >> > >> > Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >> > >> > Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities >> > >> > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>> >> > >> > >> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely >> share >> > in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >> > https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org> >> <https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:20 PM Samuel Klein >> &lt;meta.sj(a)gmail.com <mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com <mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> > >> >     This is beautiful.  Nice to see Open edX in use. >> >     Feels like incentive to package a range of workshops and >> materials >> >     up in a reusable and discoverable way!  Open to WikiEdu >> + other >> >     community courses also? >> > >> >     SJ >> > >> >     On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:25 PM Cassie Casares >> >     &lt;ccasares(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:ccasares@wikimedia.org> >> <mailto:ccasares@wikimedia.org >> <mailto:ccasares@wikimedia.org>>> wrote: >> > >> >         Hello everyone, >> > >> > >> >         TheCommunity Development team >> > >>  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Development >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Development>>is >> >         pleased to announce the courses that were delivered >> during the >> >         WikiLearn Pilot >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLearn >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLearn>>are >> >         now available for self-guided study on the >> newWikiLearn platform >> >         <https://learn.wiki/ <https://learn.wiki/>>, based >> on the free software Open edX. >> > >>  <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE >> <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE>>Open >> >         edX >> > >>  <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE >> <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE>>is >> >         a free software learning management system that was >> started in >> >         2012, and is developed in Python using the Django >> framework. >> > >> > >> >         The platform will host courses developed by >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >         teams on a variety of topics relevant to doing >> Wikimedia work. >> >         The intended audience of the platform is Wikimedia >> contributors >> >         of all kinds, and all you need to access the >> platform is your >> >         existing Wikimedia account. As we continue to evolve >> some >> >         governance mechanisms for the platform, it will >> become open for >> >         contribution from all Wikimedia contributors. >> > >> > >> >         You can access the platform at learn.wiki >> <https://learn.wiki/ <https://learn.wiki/>> >> > >> > >> >         The courses currently available from the Community >> Development >> >         team are: >> > >> > >> >          1. >> > >> >             Introduction to Building Partnerships -This >> course will >> >             provide an in-depth curriculum on how to develop >> meaningful >> >             programmatic and organizational partnerships >> within the >> >             movement and with external partners. >> > >> > >> >          2. >> > >> >             Addressing Harassment Online - This short, >> introductory >> >             course will focus on developing skills that will >> help >> >             volunteers empathetically respond to online >> harassment. >> > >> > >> >         These courses are self-paced and graded by the original >> >         instructors of the live course. A computer graded >> version of >> >         these courses will be available shortly. The current >> courses are >> >         published in English with potential translation >> possible in FY 22-23 >> > >> > >> > >> >         Please note that the self-paced/human-graded format >> will return >> >         marked assignments on a bi-weekly/monthly basis >> depending on >> >         capacity. >> > >> > >> >         Each course has been adapted from its original live >> format to be >> >         suitable for self-paced study. The Identifying and >> Addressing >> >         Harassmentcourse was authored and taught by Simona >> Ramkisson >> > >>  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SRamkisson_(WMF) >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SRamkisson_(WMF)>>.  The >> >         Introduction to Partnership Buildingcourse was >> authored and >> >         taught by Asaf Bartov >> >         <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF) >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF)>>. >> > >> > >> >         All Wikimedians with an active Wikimedia account can >> login to >> >         the WikiLearn platform using their Wikimedia >> identity (OAuth) >> >         without needing a separate account. >> > >> > >> >         If you have any questions or concerns about the >> courses or the >> >         learning management system Open edX >> > >> 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Thank you all for your questions, feedback and excitement about the WikiLearn platform. We wanted to take this opportunity to provide some clarity on the choice to utilize an Open edX platform instead of Wikiversity. Last year, we led a pilot <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLearn> to better understand how to move our once in-person capacity building experiences online. The goal of the pilot was to ensure we were developing an optimal learning environment that could deliver live courses, facilitate peer discussions and provide graded assignments with instructor feedback for two cohorts of learners. Unfortunately, Wikiversity could not provide these elements. Wikiversity is a system for collaborating on creating and sharing curricula. It is not a learning management system, nor was it ever designed to be one. It does not support the critical functions necessary for online learning such as dynamic exercises and assignments, learner tools, instructor tools (e.g. grading assignments, messaging learners, monitoring progress), computer-grading, certificates and badges, learner cohorts, scheduled live sessions, and more. Wikiversity's greatest strength -- Mediawiki's world-class collaboration features -- is not a core priority for online curriculum development (which in an overwhelming number of cases is the work of a sole or lead author and one or more known and selected assistants, rather than of peers collaborating publicly and pseudonymously), and is significantly less important than any of the above features it lacks. The WikiLearn platform stewarded by the Community Development team, and called for by the Skill and Leadership recommendation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Invest_in_Skills_and_Leadership_Development> of Movement Strategy, does need to be more than a wiki for developing and sharing curricula; it needs a learner-centered user experience, human and computer-automated assessment features and much more. Utilizing Wikiversity was never a viable option for our programmatic and capacity building goals. We also acknowledge the sentiment, “why not invest in Wikiversity to address the shortcomings you have outlined? Quite simply, we wanted to implement WikiLearn within a year or so, and utilize the resources the team had to do so. To overhaul the software running Wikiversity so that it would become a full-blown learning management system with the features needed would have been a multi-year undertaking, including research, community consultation, design, development, testing, etc., and it is not within the mandate of our team to lead this type of work independently. Therefore, we prioritized choosing an existing, tried and true LMS system that is free software as the best values-aligned path to achieving the goal of an open platform for online learning. For the Community Development team, Asaf Bartov Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 7:57 PM Mike Peel &lt;email(a)mikepeel.net&gt; wrote: