Summary:
I would like to offer 300 EURO (de:100, it:100, en:100 Euro) for the first featured article (exzellenter Artikel/bella prosa) with ref. to South Tyrol.
1) Are there good reasons not to do it? 2) Could the fondation act as trustee? _______________________________________________________
Hi Jimbo, dear fondations en/de/it,
On my to-do list is an item: "Write at least one excellent article about South Tyrol". As you maybe know, my wife is not very happy that I spend too much time with Wikipedia... ... so I think I have good reason to give someone some money if in exchange I can delete an item from my to-do list and make my wife happy by that.
There where some really shocked replies when Achim proposed on de to give a prize for good Wikipedia articles. Currently the state on de is something like "prizes are ok, but not money": http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Auftragsarbeiten
But I think I have good reasons to give money for a excellent article about my home land. It's my home. And it's for my wife.
Some critics said, the article will be influenced by the money-giver.
To prevent this, I thought about the fondation to act as trustee: - I give 300 Euro to the fondation (de?) - The Wikipedians decide who are the winners of the contest - If there is a winner, the fondation gives the money to him - If there is no winner, the money is just a donation to the fondation ;-)
Are there reasons not to do this? I look forward to read your opinions, Fantasy :-)
PS: Maybe this can be seen similar to the classical musicians who worked under the patronage system (Mäzenatentum/mecenante), instead of "this starts the selling out of the Wikipedia idea..."
PPS: Ah, I nearly forgot: why 3x100 Euro? Wikipedia is a multilingual project. South Tyrol has officially 3 languages. de/it/ladin. There is no ladin Wikipedia, therefore only de/it. But adding en would increase visibility and cross-checking. More details about the contest will follow, if I can go on with it...
I propose instead that we all pitch in to write an excellent article as a gift for Fantasy's wife, and that he direct the money to Guaka to fund the creation of 300 articles in Bambara Wikipedia.
This seems very nice to me. :-)
--Jimbo
I support Jim's proposal (as well as I see that User:Zscout370 allready started to work on article :) ) and I would ask community from sr: to help to build the article and to translate it in Serbian.
And, of course, the money should be sent to Guaka :)
On 8/18/05, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
I propose instead that we all pitch in to write an excellent article as a gift for Fantasy's wife, and that he direct the money to Guaka to fund the creation of 300 articles in Bambara Wikipedia.
This seems very nice to me. :-)
--Jimbo
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Dear All,
I already put the page on Peer Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/South_Tyrol) based on how much I edited the article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Tyrol&diff=21263326&...). I know I still could add more, but I still wanted to make sure I am on the right track, since this is out of the ordinary of me to work on Italian articles.
Regards,
Zachary Harden (en:User:Zscout370)
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I support Jim's proposal (as well as I see that User:Zscout370 allready started to work on article :) ) and I would ask community from sr: to help to build the article and to translate it in Serbian.
And, of course, the money should be sent to Guaka :)
On 8/18/05, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
I propose instead that we all pitch in to write an excellent article as a gift for Fantasy's wife, and that he direct the money to Guaka to fund the creation of 300 articles in Bambara Wikipedia.
This seems very nice to me. :-)
--Jimbo
The money should definately go to Guaka .... that is if we have a say in it .......
Waerth/Walter
And, of course, the money should be sent to Guaka :)
On 8/18/05, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
I propose instead that we all pitch in to write an excellent article as a gift for Fantasy's wife, and that he direct the money to Guaka to fund the creation of 300 articles in Bambara Wikipedia.
This seems very nice to me. :-)
--Jimbo
Maybe this is the moment to introduce a thought I had some weeks ago. Some of us use wikipedia articles for personal websites - sometimes mixed with free and commercial content.
At a certain stage I myself realised that I would like to see an article about the region where I live in another language - this would be important not only for me, but for hotels in this region as well. That's when the idea of wikitranslations came about. Consider that when I translate an article for wikipedia it takes away time I could sell my professional services that are translations - I am not going to talk about my money here, but it is a general consideration.
So at a first stage I thought about me paying for having translations done - I would like to see Chinese, Russian, Ucrainian, Japanese etc., but I cannot afford to pay "normal prices" for free content translations as if I would do this this would mean I had to translate also much more myself selling and so I could not have the time to definitely contribute.
I then set up a small website - still to be finished in its idea, still to be completed, but I wanted it to be there to remind me on that theme: http://wikitranslations.com/
Then going ahead thanks to a friend I found out that on the German wikipedia people already did "if you do for me I will do for you", "if you do for me I will give you".
When talking about contents we can also think about companies that maybe would feature an article paying it ... why not? It is a contribution as well and we can get things done. And why not say: if you want this article to be translated you also have to give something of something that is important to other projects? Example: I have an article translated into English (and really this is not "so much needed") - in addition to that I pay for another article in any of the languages that are "important to develop" - so everyone is happy.
I also wrote some thoughts on my portal for translators - a place where I hope we can start to insert "we need this/that for this amount of money" and where direct contacts will be created ... and at a certain stage maybe also new contributors to the projects.
http://www.wesolveitnet.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=71&foru...
There's still so much to consider ... like always: the day has only 24 hours ... sigh ... anyone for a vote to triple the hours of the day???
Ciao, Sabine
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On Thursday 18 August 2005 Jimbo wrote:
...to Guaka to fund the creation of 300 articles in Bambara Wikipedia. This seems very nice to me. :-)
Yes, I like this Idea :-) (Transfer details please in private email)
I don't think that work done for money in Bambara Wikipedia will cause anyone in English wikipedia to think "No fair, someone in Mali is making $10 a week writing wikipedia articles, where is my money?"
I think, there is a general misunderstanding. My experiment was not supposed to be *"work done for money"* but *"a contest where the winner gets a prize (money)"*
This is a BIG difference!
In July 2003 i offered 100 Euro for the Wikipedia-Logo contest, no one objected: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/International_logo_contest So we have already a "do something for Wikipedia and the winner gets money". - Was the Wikipedia community hurt? No - Do we have now a bad logo? No - Did it work? Yes
If we clearly name it as a "contest" I think it will work.
I would still be ready to give money for a contest, but I have the feeling that you, Jimbo, and others, are not so sure if we should do it, so I will not start any contest, except you say it is ok. (Maybe the idea just needs some more time to mature)
Thanks for your replies, Fantasy :-)
PS: On the german Wikipedia a lot of contests where you can get things worth some money are working quite well ;-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Auftragsarbeiten
Maybe one last comment for today:
I think it is happening already, that people get money for Articles in Wikipedia.
I am favoring transparency.
If we forbid giving money for articles, we move all this "market" into a "grey market", and I don't think that that is in the interrest of Wikipedia...
Good night, Fantasy :-)
Fantasy wrote:
Maybe one last comment for today:
I think it is happening already, that people get money for Articles in Wikipedia.
I am favoring transparency.
If we forbid giving money for articles, we move all this "market" into a "grey market", and I don't think that that is in the interrest of Wikipedia...
I personally really do not mind if people get financial incentives. As long as we guard our principal of NPOV. I am happy to know if people were making money on writing articles! I would love to join them :)
Waerth/Walter
What is NPOV?
Thanks for your note. I'm all for getting paid too, but nobody will placed under duress to assist.
I was actually thinking that this area would be put together by the industrial design community (and available to all) without regard to financial incentive. The Wikipedia format seems to me to be an ideal format for this project.
This is a worthwhile project and we need assistance. The question is whether Wikipedia, whose systems are in place, is going to fulfill that role.
Steven
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Fantasy wrote:
Maybe one last comment for today:
I think it is happening already, that people get money for Articles in Wikipedia. I am favoring transparency.
If we forbid giving money for articles, we move all this "market" into a "grey market", and I don't think that that is in the interrest of Wikipedia...
I personally really do not mind if people get financial incentives. As long as we guard our principal of NPOV. I am happy to know if people were making money on writing articles! I would love to join them :)
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