Correcting spelling of "buy" in case anyone else was as confused as I was.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
So, let's test a little bit Google's tolerance ;) (my site is on Google: http://www.millosh.org/by_wikipedia.png)
The point is that, as you see, inside of the add ons Google has commercial "By Wikipedia". Even the most of problems related to Google's financing Wikimedia are not on the Google's side, I think that Google should give money for promoting non-Wikimedia sites for money with the phrase "By Wikipedia".
On 8/30/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
No Wikimedia project is currently ad-supported, Google or otherwise. I believe the stance is 'never say never', but I would think the introduction of ads would be extremely unlikely and similarly unpopular. Hope this helps.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that a small image will pass the list.
So, the question is: Does WMF have some money from such kind of Google commercials?
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Ah, sorry :) Yes, "buy", not "by"...
On 8/30/07, Mike R tacodeposit@gmail.com wrote:
Correcting spelling of "buy" in case anyone else was as confused as I was.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
So, let's test a little bit Google's tolerance ;) (my site is on Google: http://www.millosh.org/by_wikipedia.png)
The point is that, as you see, inside of the add ons Google has commercial "By Wikipedia". Even the most of problems related to Google's financing Wikimedia are not on the Google's side, I think that Google should give money for promoting non-Wikimedia sites for money with the phrase "By Wikipedia".
On 8/30/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
No Wikimedia project is currently ad-supported, Google or otherwise. I believe the stance is 'never say never', but I would think the introduction of ads would be extremely unlikely and similarly unpopular. Hope this helps.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that a small image will pass the list.
So, the question is: Does WMF have some money from such kind of Google commercials?
-- Gary Kirk
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Sorry, but I really do not understand what you are talking about. Where would that be ?
Ant
Milos Rancic wrote:
Ah, sorry :) Yes, "buy", not "by"...
On 8/30/07, Mike R tacodeposit@gmail.com wrote:
Correcting spelling of "buy" in case anyone else was as confused as I was.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
So, let's test a little bit Google's tolerance ;) (my site is on Google: http://www.millosh.org/by_wikipedia.png)
The point is that, as you see, inside of the add ons Google has commercial "By Wikipedia". Even the most of problems related to Google's financing Wikimedia are not on the Google's side, I think that Google should give money for promoting non-Wikimedia sites for money with the phrase "By Wikipedia".
On 8/30/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
No Wikimedia project is currently ad-supported, Google or otherwise. I believe the stance is 'never say never', but I would think the introduction of ads would be extremely unlikely and similarly unpopular. Hope this helps.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that a small image will pass the list.
So, the question is: Does WMF have some money from such kind of Google commercials?
-- Gary Kirk
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On 30/08/2007, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry, but I really do not understand what you are talking about. Where would that be ?
Google adlinks, e.g. at the top of my Gmail whenever I've looked at something about Wikipedia. They have a pile of "Related links" which you click on, which takes you to another page of "related links" with the word "Wikipedia" in, which takes you to ads with nothing to do with Wikipedia. That is, Google is using the name to lure people into clicking on the ads.
It certainly worked on me the first few times, now I'm just increasingly annoyed by it. Thus proving even text ads have to fulfill the promise of relevance when you click on them ...
- d.
The issue here can't really be progressed when all that is being provided is a graphic of the ad banner. If people are inappropriately using the Wikipedia name I have no doubt a nice letter will get Google to pull their adverts - but you can't do that if you don't know what is being advertised.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Florence Devouard Sent: 30 August 2007 21:25 To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Buy Wikipedia?
Sorry, but I really do not understand what you are talking about. Where would that be ?
Ant
Milos Rancic wrote:
Ah, sorry :) Yes, "buy", not "by"...
On 8/30/07, Mike R tacodeposit@gmail.com wrote:
Correcting spelling of "buy" in case anyone else was as confused as I
was.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
So, let's test a little bit Google's tolerance ;) (my site is on Google: http://www.millosh.org/by_wikipedia.png)
The point is that, as you see, inside of the add ons Google has commercial "By Wikipedia". Even the most of problems related to Google's financing Wikimedia are not on the Google's side, I think that Google should give money for promoting non-Wikimedia sites for money with the phrase "By Wikipedia".
On 8/30/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
No Wikimedia project is currently ad-supported, Google or otherwise. I believe the stance is 'never say never', but I would think the introduction of ads would be extremely unlikely and similarly unpopular. Hope this helps.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that a small image will pass the list.
So, the question is: Does WMF have some money from such kind of Google commercials?
-- Gary Kirk
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On 8/30/07, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
The issue here can't really be progressed when all that is being provided is a graphic of the ad banner. If people are inappropriately using the Wikipedia name I have no doubt a nice letter will get Google to pull their adverts - but you can't do that if you don't know what is being advertised.
Google ads is pretty aggressive about the trademark thing.
I used adwords to promote our last fundraiser, and they shut me off after two days for using the "trademark term Wikipedia". They did not respond to my requests on what documentation I needed to provide to ensure that I had authorization to use the mark.
Ironic that they're letting some spammer use it to link to their site... but I bet it will be/was shut off after a day or two tops.
It seems that it is not about some spammer, but about Google. When you click on that add, you are not getting "some spammer", but Google list of sites *related* to Wikipedia.
On 8/30/07, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
The issue here can't really be progressed when all that is being provided is a graphic of the ad banner. If people are inappropriately using the Wikipedia name I have no doubt a nice letter will get Google to pull their adverts - but you can't do that if you don't know what is being advertised.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Florence Devouard Sent: 30 August 2007 21:25 To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Buy Wikipedia?
Sorry, but I really do not understand what you are talking about. Where would that be ?
Ant
Milos Rancic wrote:
Ah, sorry :) Yes, "buy", not "by"...
On 8/30/07, Mike R tacodeposit@gmail.com wrote:
Correcting spelling of "buy" in case anyone else was as confused as I
was.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
So, let's test a little bit Google's tolerance ;) (my site is on Google: http://www.millosh.org/by_wikipedia.png)
The point is that, as you see, inside of the add ons Google has commercial "By Wikipedia". Even the most of problems related to Google's financing Wikimedia are not on the Google's side, I think that Google should give money for promoting non-Wikimedia sites for money with the phrase "By Wikipedia".
On 8/30/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
No Wikimedia project is currently ad-supported, Google or otherwise. I believe the stance is 'never say never', but I would think the introduction of ads would be extremely unlikely and similarly unpopular. Hope this helps.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that a small image will pass the list.
So, the question is: Does WMF have some money from such kind of Google commercials?
-- Gary Kirk
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On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
It seems that it is not about some spammer, but about Google. When you click on that add, you are not getting "some spammer", but Google list of sites *related* to Wikipedia.
Fair warning: While trying to reproduce this (I can't :( ) I was hitting reload on that qweki site and on the fifth or sixth try it send me to a whole bunch of porno popups. :(
Take some pop-up blocker. You may see that my Firefox blocked pop-ups... I was trying to find wiki communities to announce them Wiki World. And by accident en.qweki.com is the MediaWiki with the biggest amount of articles...
On 8/30/07, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
It seems that it is not about some spammer, but about Google. When you click on that add, you are not getting "some spammer", but Google list of sites *related* to Wikipedia.
Fair warning: While trying to reproduce this (I can't :( ) I was hitting reload on that qweki site and on the fifth or sixth try it send me to a whole bunch of porno popups. :(
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On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Take some pop-up blocker. You may see that my Firefox blocked pop-ups... I was trying to find wiki communities to announce them Wiki World. And by accident en.qweki.com is the MediaWiki with the biggest amount of articles...
And here is what you get when you click on the link "Buy Wikipedia": http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:When_you_click_on_buy_wikipedia.png
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Take some pop-up blocker. You may see that my Firefox blocked pop-ups... I was trying to find wiki communities to announce them Wiki World. And by accident en.qweki.com is the MediaWiki with the biggest amount of articles...
On 30/08/2007, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
And here is what you get when you click on the link "Buy Wikipedia": http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:When_you_click_on_buy_wikipedia.png
I think "Buy XYZ" is more a suggested search query than an advert. Google picks a keyword from the page you're viewing, and then suggests you might want to search for places to buy it. It's pretty rubbish and annoying, but I don't think it's anything to worry about - it's just nonsense, really. Can nonsense be a trademark violation?
On 8/31/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I think "Buy XYZ" is more a suggested search query than an advert. Google picks a keyword from the page you're viewing, and then suggests you might want to search for places to buy it. It's pretty rubbish and annoying, but I don't think it's anything to worry about - it's just nonsense, really. Can nonsense be a trademark violation?
The problem is that it is a nonsense if you read it literary. However, it is *not* a nonsense if you are reading this in the sense of buying Wikipedia content (which is a common sense of, for example, "buy Wikipedia"; cf. "buy Linux"). At least, Google should exclude Wikipedia from its common commercial add ons: "buy Wikipedia", "trade Wikipedia" and similar. Anyone who wants to make money on Wikipedia(tm) should pay for (tm) at least in USA.
And, BTW and AFAIK, trademark expires if the owner has no objections on trademark usage (at least, I heard something like that about the Linux trademark which is owned by Linus Torvalds).
On 8/31/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/31/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I think "Buy XYZ" is more a suggested search query than an advert. Google picks a keyword from the page you're viewing, and then suggests you might want to search for places to buy it. It's pretty rubbish and annoying, but I don't think it's anything to worry about - it's just nonsense, really. Can nonsense be a trademark violation?
The problem is that it is a nonsense if you read it literary. However, it is *not* a nonsense if you are reading this in the sense of buying Wikipedia content (which is a common sense of, for example, "buy Wikipedia"; cf. "buy Linux"). At least, Google should exclude Wikipedia from its common commercial add ons: "buy Wikipedia", "trade Wikipedia" and similar. Anyone who wants to make money on Wikipedia(tm) should pay for (tm) at least in USA.
The problem is that it is a nonsense if you read it literary. However, it is *not* a nonsense if you are reading this in the sense of buying Wikipedia content (which is a common sense of, for example, "buy Wikipedia"; cf. "buy Linux"). At least, Google should exclude Wikipedia from its common commercial add ons: "buy Wikipedia", "trade Wikipedia" and similar. Anyone who wants to make money on Wikipedia(tm) should pay for (tm) at least in USA.
Is anyone making money of it? Do you have to pay to be on the "Buy XYZ" results? And do any of the results actually sell anything to do with Wikipedia, or look like they do?
On 8/31/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Is anyone making money of it? Do you have to pay to be on the "Buy XYZ" results? And do any of the results actually sell anything to do with Wikipedia, or look like they do?
One of the results offered download of Wikipedia for download (and I am almost sure that they had add ons, but I may not guarantee). Making money doesn't mean exclusively that you should pay for something...
However, it seems that people from Google are fast and there is no "buy Wikipedia" on Qweki recent changes anymore even Qweki was not changed). There is, however, "Wikipedia in English" link which takes to the nonsense list like this one is [1], including the link to the site like this one is [2].
The last one, as well as the first case is misleading public which makes implicit harm on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites. And, AFAIK, from 1950s there is legislation against such misleading.
Again, both of them: Google and its clients are making money via such links. If they are using WMF trademarks for making money, they should pay to WMF for that (if it is not, at least, misleading, which is unacceptable).
1) http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-83932038154047...) 2) http://micronutra.com/candidol.html?utm_campaign=Candidol&utm_source=goo...
I see it on my first try.
Ads by Google
Personal Wikipedia Buy Wikipedia Download Wikipedia Obama Wikipedia See Wikipedia
-Dan Rosenthal On Aug 30, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
It seems that it is not about some spammer, but about Google. When you click on that add, you are not getting "some spammer", but Google list of sites *related* to Wikipedia.
Fair warning: While trying to reproduce this (I can't :( ) I was hitting reload on that qweki site and on the fifth or sixth try it send me to a whole bunch of porno popups. :(
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It was on http://en.qweki.com/Special:Recentchanges
This time it is at the right side... However, I am sure that any add like this may be found on any page with key words "Wikipedia" or "Special:Recentchanges" with the MediaWiki structure.
I uploaded my screenshot on Meta (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Buy_wikipedia_II_large.png). "Ads by Google" at the right.
There are at least two problems: - Buy Wikipedia -- Wikipedia is on sale? - If we assume that it is about the content, then trade mark fee should be paid by Google.
On 8/30/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry, but I really do not understand what you are talking about. Where would that be ?
Ant
Milos Rancic wrote:
Ah, sorry :) Yes, "buy", not "by"...
On 8/30/07, Mike R tacodeposit@gmail.com wrote:
Correcting spelling of "buy" in case anyone else was as confused as I was.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
So, let's test a little bit Google's tolerance ;) (my site is on Google: http://www.millosh.org/by_wikipedia.png)
The point is that, as you see, inside of the add ons Google has commercial "By Wikipedia". Even the most of problems related to Google's financing Wikimedia are not on the Google's side, I think that Google should give money for promoting non-Wikimedia sites for money with the phrase "By Wikipedia".
On 8/30/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
No Wikimedia project is currently ad-supported, Google or otherwise. I believe the stance is 'never say never', but I would think the introduction of ads would be extremely unlikely and similarly unpopular. Hope this helps.
On 8/30/07, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that a small image will pass the list.
So, the question is: Does WMF have some money from such kind of Google commercials?
-- Gary Kirk
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