On the Commons list, there is a thread about creating IDs for photographers to help with admission to museums for photos. How would I get Foundation permission to use the WMF logo on the cards?
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I very much doubt that the Foundation would be happy with having the WMF logo used in any way which may suggest that Commons photographers are in anyway represent the Foundation. The Foundation have been cautious about the Wikinews accreditation process for this very same reason. They want to minimise the risk of exposing the WMF to legal repercussions.
In response to the difficulty faced with Wikinews accreditation, a new organisation, seperate from the WMF, has been proposed named the "CollabMediaNet" at ttp://www.collabmedia.net which might be of interest eventually.
Anyway, to be honest, I'm struggling to think of situations where a Commons ID would be appropriate. I'll take a look at the thread on the Commons list though to see if that helps me.
Regards,
Adam Brookes (User:Adambro)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
On the Commons list, there is a thread about creating IDs for photographers to help with admission to museums for photos. How would I get Foundation permission to use the WMF logo on the cards?
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On 28/03/2008, Adam Brookes adambro@aebrookes.co.uk wrote:
I very much doubt that the Foundation would be happy with having the WMF logo used in any way which may suggest that Commons photographers are in anyway represent the Foundation. The Foundation have been cautious about the Wikinews accreditation process for this very same reason. They want to minimise the risk of exposing the WMF to legal repercussions.
Yeah. The problem is not making up a badge, it's all the legal issues and project politics surrounding "accreditation".
Is there a nice page somewhere summarising how Wikinews editions deal with accrediting reporters, which might serve as a comparison?
- d.
Only the English Wikinews has an accreditation process.
The policy is here, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy
Requests for accreditation go here, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:AR
There are also a few other pages which those link to. The Wikinews phone hotline is one of the methods that can be used to verify credentials.
We have one contributor who takes people's personal details and makes up laminated press passes that get posted out; in the past, this got a reporter preferential access to NHL (hockey) matches and a seat in the press box. What seems to have made the biggest difference though was the purchase of the wikinewsie.org domain and use of that for email addresses. This was something I took upon myself to do and it seemed to have an impact in landing my interview with Tony Benn and David Shankbone getting his Israel junket and interview with Shimon Peres. It certainly looks a damn sight more professional to have firstname.lastname@wikinewsie.org instead of some hotmail or gmail address.
From a personal perspective, I'd love to see Commons institute something
similar and have accredited photographers. An alternative to having two separate processes might be to move the Wikinews accreditation process over to meta and work from there across multiple projects. We've had a number of people from non-English Wikinews projects apply for accreditation with mixed results. However, that being said it might be best if Commons hammered out their own rules to start with - particularly requirements that those applying had good equipment and demonstrated a dedication to the project and a good eye for photography. From a Wikinews perspective it would be fantastic were there a pool of Commons photographers who could be contacted to attend events with an accredited reporter and cover said event.
If you've any further questions on WN accreditation, feel free to ask on or off-list. There are problems in the majority of countries that work under the Napoleonic code and official, government sanctioned credentials are unavailable unless you make the majority of your income from your journalistic pursuits. However in a recent case in Belgium brought against an Indymedia reporter the judge threw it out and specified that the case should treat the person in question as a journalist and go before a different court and apply a different law. This is great news for all citizen journalists in the country as the law in question has not been applied - successfully or otherwise - for many years.
Brian McNeil -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sent: 28 March 2008 15:41 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Cc: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Photographer IDs
On 28/03/2008, Adam Brookes adambro@aebrookes.co.uk wrote:
I very much doubt that the Foundation would be happy with having the WMF logo used in any way which may suggest that Commons photographers are in anyway represent the Foundation. The Foundation have been cautious about
the
Wikinews accreditation process for this very same reason. They want to minimise the risk of exposing the WMF to legal repercussions.
Yeah. The problem is not making up a badge, it's all the legal issues and project politics surrounding "accreditation".
Is there a nice page somewhere summarising how Wikinews editions deal with accrediting reporters, which might serve as a comparison?
- d.
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Actually, moving over to Meta or merging is a great idea. Can I get in contact with you offlist?
Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote: Only the English Wikinews has an accreditation process.
The policy is here, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy
Requests for accreditation go here, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:AR
There are also a few other pages which those link to. The Wikinews phone hotline is one of the methods that can be used to verify credentials.
We have one contributor who takes people's personal details and makes up laminated press passes that get posted out; in the past, this got a reporter preferential access to NHL (hockey) matches and a seat in the press box. What seems to have made the biggest difference though was the purchase of the wikinewsie.org domain and use of that for email addresses. This was something I took upon myself to do and it seemed to have an impact in landing my interview with Tony Benn and David Shankbone getting his Israel junket and interview with Shimon Peres. It certainly looks a damn sight more professional to have firstname.lastname@wikinewsie.org instead of some hotmail or gmail address.
From a personal perspective, I'd love to see Commons institute something
similar and have accredited photographers. An alternative to having two separate processes might be to move the Wikinews accreditation process over to meta and work from there across multiple projects. We've had a number of people from non-English Wikinews projects apply for accreditation with mixed results. However, that being said it might be best if Commons hammered out their own rules to start with - particularly requirements that those applying had good equipment and demonstrated a dedication to the project and a good eye for photography. From a Wikinews perspective it would be fantastic were there a pool of Commons photographers who could be contacted to attend events with an accredited reporter and cover said event.
If you've any further questions on WN accreditation, feel free to ask on or off-list. There are problems in the majority of countries that work under the Napoleonic code and official, government sanctioned credentials are unavailable unless you make the majority of your income from your journalistic pursuits. However in a recent case in Belgium brought against an Indymedia reporter the judge threw it out and specified that the case should treat the person in question as a journalist and go before a different court and apply a different law. This is great news for all citizen journalists in the country as the law in question has not been applied - successfully or otherwise - for many years.
Brian McNeil -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sent: 28 March 2008 15:41 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Cc: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Photographer IDs
On 28/03/2008, Adam Brookes wrote:
I very much doubt that the Foundation would be happy with having the WMF logo used in any way which may suggest that Commons photographers are in anyway represent the Foundation. The Foundation have been cautious about
the
Wikinews accreditation process for this very same reason. They want to minimise the risk of exposing the WMF to legal repercussions.
Yeah. The problem is not making up a badge, it's all the legal issues and project politics surrounding "accreditation".
Is there a nice page somewhere summarising how Wikinews editions deal with accrediting reporters, which might serve as a comparison?
- d.
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Because certain museums don't allow freelance photographers. Also if a WN reporter wants to bring a photographer along, they need ID
Adam Brookes adambro@aebrookes.co.uk wrote: I very much doubt that the Foundation would be happy with having the WMF logo used in any way which may suggest that Commons photographers are in anyway represent the Foundation. The Foundation have been cautious about the Wikinews accreditation process for this very same reason. They want to minimise the risk of exposing the WMF to legal repercussions.
In response to the difficulty faced with Wikinews accreditation, a new organisation, seperate from the WMF, has been proposed named the "CollabMediaNet" at ttp://www.collabmedia.net which might be of interest eventually.
Anyway, to be honest, I'm struggling to think of situations where a Commons ID would be appropriate. I'll take a look at the thread on the Commons list though to see if that helps me.
Regards,
Adam Brookes (User:Adambro)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
On the Commons list, there is a thread about creating IDs for photographers to help with admission to museums for photos. How would I get Foundation permission to use the WMF logo on the cards?
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Adam Brookes wrote:
I very much doubt that the Foundation would be happy with having the WMF logo used in any way which may suggest that Commons photographers are in anyway represent the Foundation. The Foundation have been cautious about the Wikinews accreditation process for this very same reason. They want to minimise the risk of exposing the WMF to legal repercussions.
In response to the difficulty faced with Wikinews accreditation, a new organisation, seperate from the WMF, has been proposed named the "CollabMediaNet" at ttp://www.collabmedia.net which might be of interest eventually.
Anyway, to be honest, I'm struggling to think of situations where a Commons ID would be appropriate. I'll take a look at the thread on the Commons list though to see if that helps me.
Regards,
Adam Brookes (User:Adambro)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
On the Commons list, there is a thread about creating IDs for photographers to help with admission to museums for photos. How would I get Foundation permission to use the WMF logo on the cards?
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