The reason I suggested multiple languages is because this seems harder to achieve than broad consensus. Thus if it's harder to start a logo contest, there's less chance of them starting when they're not needed. Although I'm not complaining, the selection of my illustration for the Wikisource logo was thanks to the German Wikipedia's approval vote. The English vote was still in a state of complete indecision.
I just threw the comcom in because it's involved in Communications, and the visual identity of the projects seems to fall into its domain. It was just thrown in.
I'm not saying that there's an insider running the elections. In fact, I can't even remember who the current overseers are, it's slipped my memory. I have no objection to the current election or election process whatsoever.
What I meant was that any logo contest needs someone to oversee everything, so that the contests aren't loosey-goosey, open-ended things like they are now. Someone to establish rules, to answer questions, to co-ordinate between languages... but without having a personal interest in one logo or another, as a regular contributor.
As per Angela's comment, that the resolution should apply to new projects, I'm not sure why that would be needed. New projects need logos, this proposal was to stunt the amount of //replacement// logos.
Nick
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:31:04 -0400 From: "Brad Patrick" bradp.wmf@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Logo Contests To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@wikimedia.org Message-ID: 941f4700609121231r103db07eqa1ce425c607568e0@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I'm not sure I follow your logic here.
I think you are suggesting mixing broad consensus within a language and consensus across languages. But why is that relevant to logos per se?
Why is Com Com suddenly the arbiter of what is acceptable?
Who are you accusing of being a WMF insider running elections? I didn't even know about them until it was posted to Foundation this week.
-Brad
On 9/12/06, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
On another bent to the topic, could I ask the board to pass a resolution regarding replacement logos saying:
- At least five of top ten contributing languages must agree the
logo
should be changed. 2. If this is satisfied, the Board and/or Communications Committee must agree in principal that a logo change would be timely,
acceptable
and warranted. 3. Logo competitions must be structured from the beginning by independent Wikimedians, as the board elections are.
While I agree that Wiktionary and Wikisource needed to be refreshed, Wikibooks just seems to be riding the trend, and I'm worried that once these competitions are over, there'll only be more. It would be nice to keep
the
project identities steady.
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:34:50 +1000 From: Angela beesley@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Logo Contests To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@wikimedia.org Message-ID: 8b722b800609121234w10f9cac5s15e8e10cffb97c58@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 9/13/06, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
On another bent to the topic, could I ask the board to pass a resolution regarding replacement logos saying:
- At least five of top ten contributing languages must agree the
logo
should be changed. 2. If this is satisfied, the Board and/or Communications Committee must agree in principal that a logo change would be timely,
acceptable and
warranted. 3. Logo competitions must be structured from the beginning by independent Wikimedians, as the board elections are.
I've put this on the Board wiki, though I think it may be more useful to expand it so the resolution is applicable to new projects (wikiversity, incubator) as well and those won't have 10 languages by the time they want a logo.
Angela.
On 9/13/06, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
As per Angela's comment, that the resolution should apply to new projects, I'm not sure why that would be needed. New projects need logos, this proposal was to stunt the amount of //replacement// logos.
But points 2 and 3 may make sense for logos in general, and if there's going to be a policy, why not have it apply to all logos?
Angela.
--- Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
The reason I suggested multiple languages is because this seems harder to achieve than broad consensus. Thus if it's harder to start a logo contest, there's less chance of them starting when they're not needed. Although I'm not complaining, the selection of my illustration for the Wikisource logo was thanks to the German Wikipedia's approval vote. The English vote was still in a state of complete indecision.
I just want to correct one thing here. There was no logo contest at the English Wikisource. The logo contest was going through difficulties. So a poll was started in many of the Wikisource subdomains (de en es fr he it ja pl) on whether we should change the logo at all. "Wikisources' logo is discussed. Now is maybe the time for change, shall we keep it as is, or launch a redesign process? please give your input on the whole affair" The English poll was inconclusive, but this was not a logo approval vote. Other subdomains had conclusive polls in favor of going forward with the logo contest, but this did not happen. The german wikisource forced the whole issue. And someone spoke to developers and had the logo changed without notifing the various communities.
I do not have a problem with change. If someone can convince a developer to make such a change then they have good reasons. The thing I really dislike about what happened is that people on the pt.WS and probably others thought en.WS had changed their project without getting any input. I dislike that a community I am a part of gets the blame for other people doing a poor job of international relations. I also dislike the fact that non-english speakers had to find out about the new logo in this way. I would not enjoy being in their position and having the whole site just change one day. I hope this does not happen with the curent logo contests.
Birgitte SB
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