Thanks. I didnt search. I looked in the last 250 revisions of the page. I
didnt look back far enough.
John Vandenberg.
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On Sep 17, 2012 8:42 PM, "Strainu" <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Have you searched for it?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2012/09#Pote…
2012/9/17 John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com>om>:
Where is the onwiki discussion about this? I
could find '[1]'
Or a wikipedia page that describes the copyright status of imagery of
DSOs?
John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Sep 15, 2012 1:25 PM, "とある白い猫" <to.aru.shiroi.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not seeking legal advice. I am asking the pursuit of the issue.
I am
> not a US citizen so I do not have a congress
person to contact. The laws
> governing copyright can be amended to address the issue of deep space
> objects (DSO). I do not expect a result next week, I merely want the
issue
> to enter into an agenda of some sort. If the
Foundation is going to take
> the lead, this probably would only be possible through a board
decision. In
> such a case I want to work with people to
come up with such a draft
> proposal to the board.
>
> I realize this is an unusual request but there seems to be a lack of
> clarity on this issue[1]. Argument is that copyright can be an issue
since
> not every organization observing or assisting
NASA's observations are
> PD-USgov compatible. We may be forced to permanently delete all deep
space
> objects as a result.
>
> I'd like to provide a short technical explanation why copyright of
deep
> space objects or DSOs (objects outside of the
solar system) are
> meaningless. For ordinary photographs copyright is determined by factors
> such as lighting, perspective, exposure and other such settings that
> creates a different image of the same object. You can distinguish the
> difference between a daylight photo and an evening photo.
>
> With deep space objects however, even the stellar parallax[2] has a
very
> small value. The closest object outside of
the solar system is 4.24
light
> years (268,136 AU's) away. The semi-major
axis of earth is about 1AUs.
The
> difference in perspective is like looking at
a 2cm (width of a nickel)
wide
> object 5.3km (3.29 miles) away and the
perspective difference is
switching
> left eye to the right eye. We lack scientific
instruments to even
detect a
> stellar parallax for objects much further. In
other words our
perspective
> of the nearest star and beyond is more or
less constant and the objects
> themselves look the same for hundreds of years.
>
> So any photo of a deep space object I or someone else takes from the
> solar system will look identical regardless of when and where on earth I
> take it within multiple lifetimes. I think this can bring legal
precedent
> for us to either disregard any copyright
claim or at least pursue
lawmakers
> in congress to amend the copyright law to
make an exception in the law.
> People who worked with congress such as Neil Degrasse Tyson could be
> consulted to this end. Also international treaties[3] can be consulted
to
> this end as copyrighting photos of deep space
objects could be
interpreted
> as an unfair exploitation of resources.
>
> I realize this reads like something out of Star Trek but this is
growing
> to be quite a problem as we see more and more
weird copyright claims
even
> when dealing with NASA which traditionally
had a PD-USgov mentality.
NASA
> regularly contracts its more recent projects
and to be fair we do not
know
> how NASA contracts these projects which could
potentially lead
> to legitimate copyright claims in the future.
>
>
> [1]:
>
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Potential_deletion_o…
[2]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax
[3]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law#International_treaties
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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