Hi all, The two largest Wiktionary projects (English and French) have two completely different logos. [1], [2] The reason for this, from what I understand, is that a vote was taken place about the logo fr.wiktionary currently has, on meta [3]; which the English Wiktionary community chose not to be bound by, because they, as a community, disagreed with the outcome. I understand that there are complaints that new logo has elements too closely resembling Scrabble pieces, or are otherwise too cartooned to some. The "new" logo does maintain some visual identity as a project logo, while the "classic" logo isn't really a logo at all, and diverges wildly from project to project. Of the top ten Wiktionary projects, four of them use the new version, while 6 of them use some variation of the classic version: fr: new en: classic tr: new vi: new ru: classic (a variation which little resembles the original) io: classic (English version) el: new zh: classic (divergent variation) pl: classic (divergent variation) fi: classic (English version) As a whole, I seem to remember that Wiktionary is the second most visited site of the Foundation's websites, and I really do think it should be appropriate that the site should reflect a common visual identity, one that the classic logo does a poor job of creating. The new logo, however, met with rather heavy resistance in, at the very least, the English Wiktionary community. I do, rather strongly, believe that the Wiktionary identity needs to be squared away, having some poll in general inclusive of, yet binding of all Wiktionary projects, and then if that fails, starting the process again, and succeeding to foment an individual logo like the recent successful Wikibooks logo revamp. Cary [1] <http://en.wiktionary.org> [2] <http://fr.wiktionary.org> [3] <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo>

Hello all, this is a very old and often discussed issue, the problems raised with the logo were not yet addressed (such as copyright issues, which characters to use), and the new 'logo' is IMHO the most ugly thing I have ever seen. Btw.: from alexa.com: Where people go on Wiktionary.org: - en.wiktionary.org - 48.6% <- old logo - de.wiktionary.org - 12.8% <- old logo - fr.wiktionary.org - 9.7% <- new logo - ru.wiktionary.org - 3.6% <- old logo - es.wiktionary.org - 3.1% <- old logo - ja.wiktionary.org - 2.9% <- old logo - pl.wiktionary.org - 2.4% <- old logo - pt.wiktionary.org - 2.3% <- old logo - it.wiktionary.org - 1.6% <- new logo - el.wiktionary.org - 1.5% <- new logo Guess how many Wiktionarians apprently like the new logo...

Best regards, E.

Elisabeth Anderl wrote: copyright ugly I didn't take part in the discussion and the vote, but this is a poor attempt to justify the old logo. People do not look at a web site like Wiktionary because of the logo. Regards, Yann -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikisource.org/ | Bibliothèque libre http://wikilivres.info | Documents libres _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to propose the following page: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh> be opened for arguments and vote on it start in a weeks time. I'd also like considerable help in advertising it throughout the projects and managing the page, as well. Cary

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cary Bass &lt;cary(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: Goes to the question of who determines the logo to be used, doesn't it? If the meta vote approves the new logo, but a vote on en.wikt does not, which is binding? Can meta participants vote to change any logo? Nathan

Of course Meta participants can vote; Wiktionary isn't solely "owned" by the people who most actively use it. It's a Wikimedia project, first and foremost. I generally expect most people who use Meta to respectfully give weight to the Wiktionarians, however, and not just "vote" on impulse. Most of us do that.

I understand that there are complaints that new logo has elements too closely resembling Scrabble pieces, or are otherwise too cartooned to some. The "new" logo does maintain some visual identity as a project logo, while the "classic" logo isn't really a logo at all, and diverges wildly from project to project. Of the top ten Wiktionary projects, four of them use the new version, while 6 of them use some variation of the classic version: