As you can see the Dutch mods have done NOTHING, ZERO, NADA. And people here say I have NO reason to be angry!
I have written over a 1000 articles to the wikipedia and now I am not able to edit them. I am raging in anger.
Here is a screenshot I took today:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8069/stillblocked1cv4.jpg
Sofar for EVERYONE can edit. I am not even a vandal. And people tell me to calm down. It has been TWO WEEKS now! And NO FUCKING BODY is doing anything at all.
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
Waerth
Hi Walter,
I would like to ask you to donate at least 10% of your efforts which are usually spent on this list by you to convince the Thailand government or the Thai ISPs to fix their internet access so we might be able to ban "just the right people" in the future. 10% should be more than enough to convince them.
Mathias
If i correctly geussed what's happening: a) Thai ISPs put their users under transparent proxies. b) A nl admin regularly blocks them as "open proxy"
a1) If the ISP proxy provides X-Fordwarded-For: header, talk with Tim Starling to add them to the XFF list. a2) Convince the ISP to remove the Proxy (almost imposible).
b) No admin should block "open proxys" unless he confirms they're open proxys.
Trick: Accesing via https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/nl/wiki/Hoofdpagina will probably bypass transparent proxys.
I have found myself several times blocked on en.wikipedia due of being behind a proxy. Sometimes it was there were previous vandalism by other users. Others, it was alledged an "Open Proxy", either without reason or pointing to a proxy-list page. Astounishing, as neither the admin or the page mainteiners could have checked that proxy (maybe the lists were done by listing visitors behind it?). I sent several mails stating this, and asking for a lesser block (some were infinite hard blocks!). Well, i had no answer about this matter (could be unblocked without answering, however).
Worse, my ISP doesn't provide means for stating if a given ip is one of their proxys or not. If an ip vandalised a page and -being accused of doing it- a checkuser showed that i had used that ip, i'd have no way to prove that ip being a transparent proxy, and not my personal ip. I'd probably be blocked forever. :(
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On 2/18/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
As you can see the Dutch mods have done NOTHING, ZERO, NADA. And people here say I have NO reason to be angry!
I have written over a 1000 articles to the wikipedia and now I am not able to edit them. I am raging in anger.
Here is a screenshot I took today:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8069/stillblocked1cv4.jpg
Sofar for EVERYONE can edit. I am not even a vandal. And people tell me to calm down. It has been TWO WEEKS now! And NO FUCKING BODY is doing anything at all.
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
Waerth
You haven't told us the IP so there isn't really every much that can be done about it
geni schreef:
On 2/18/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
As you can see the Dutch mods have done NOTHING, ZERO, NADA. And people here say I have NO reason to be angry!
I have written over a 1000 articles to the wikipedia and now I am not able to edit them. I am raging in anger.
Here is a screenshot I took today:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8069/stillblocked1cv4.jpg
Sofar for EVERYONE can edit. I am not even a vandal. And people tell me to calm down. It has been TWO WEEKS now! And NO FUCKING BODY is doing anything at all.
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
Waerth
You haven't told us the IP so there isn't really every much that can be done about it
Hoi, Waerth chooses to be rude and disruptive to the extend that he literally wishes that all Dutch mods are to drop dead. I am glad that I will survive this ordeal by not being a Dutch Wikipedia moderator... Given that Waerth is his own worst enemy and given that he states that he is leaving, I wish he does. He may be back if he wants to, but I wish for the nl.wikipedia community that when he does come back, it will be with a modified attitude. Thanks, GerardM
On 2/18/07, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Waerth chooses to be rude and disruptive to the extend that he literally wishes that all Dutch mods are to drop dead. I am glad that I will survive this ordeal by not being a Dutch Wikipedia moderator... Given that Waerth is his own worst enemy and given that he states that he is leaving, I wish he does. He may be back if he wants to, but I wish for the nl.wikipedia community that when he does come back, it will be with a modified attitude. Thanks, GerardM
I know this. However the Thailand IPs should not be hard blocked and we don't appear to have a list of them anywhere.
geni wrote:
On 2/18/07, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Waerth chooses to be rude and disruptive to the extend that he literally wishes that all Dutch mods are to drop dead. I am glad that I will survive this ordeal by not being a Dutch Wikipedia moderator... Given that Waerth is his own worst enemy and given that he states that he is leaving, I wish he does. He may be back if he wants to, but I wish for the nl.wikipedia community that when he does come back, it will be with a modified attitude. Thanks, GerardM
I know this. However the Thailand IPs should not be hard blocked and we don't appear to have a list of them anywhere.
These are the ones I have found:
61.91.190.242 61.91.190.246 61.91.190.248 61.91.190.249 61.91.190.250 61.91.190.251 61.91.191.2 61.91.191.4 61.91.191.6 61.91.191.8 61.91.191.9 61.91.191.10 61.91.191.11 203.144.143.2 203.144.143.3 203.144.143.4 203.144.143.5 203.144.143.6 203.144.143.7 203.144.143.8 203.144.143.9 203.144.143.10 203.144.143.11 203.144.144.163 203.144.160.250 203.144.160.251
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling wrote:
geni wrote:
On 2/18/07, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Waerth chooses to be rude and disruptive to the extend that he literally wishes that all Dutch mods are to drop dead. I am glad that I will survive this ordeal by not being a Dutch Wikipedia moderator... Given that Waerth is his own worst enemy and given that he states that he is leaving, I wish he does. He may be back if he wants to, but I wish for the nl.wikipedia community that when he does come back, it will be with a modified attitude. Thanks, GerardM
I know this. However the Thailand IPs should not be hard blocked and we don't appear to have a list of them anywhere.
These are the ones I have found:
61.91.190.242 61.91.190.246 61.91.190.248 61.91.190.249 61.91.190.250 61.91.190.251 61.91.191.2 61.91.191.4 61.91.191.6 61.91.191.8 61.91.191.9 61.91.191.10 61.91.191.11 203.144.143.2 203.144.143.3 203.144.143.4 203.144.143.5 203.144.143.6 203.144.143.7 203.144.143.8 203.144.143.9 203.144.143.10 203.144.143.11 203.144.144.163 203.144.160.250 203.144.160.251
Thank you very much Tim Starling for helping me and in particular all those other people out there who now get a "you are blocked screen" and do not come back because of that. Thank you from me and my apologies if I caused you a bit of a disturbance.
Whether people believe me or not it is not much me I am pissed about, actually not just the IP addresses but all the IP addresses in many countries that get blocked because their providers force them through open or exit proxies. I have heard it is a problem in Indonesia as well. Instead of just blocking we should try to find out which other countries/providers do this so we can help users (Qatar springs to mind)
Waerth/Walter
Waerth/Walter
On 2/18/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Whether people believe me or not it is not much me I am pissed about, actually not just the IP addresses but all the IP addresses in many countries that get blocked because their providers force them through open or exit proxies. I have heard it is a problem in Indonesia as well. Instead of just blocking we should try to find out which other countries/providers do this so we can help users (Qatar springs to mind)
We know the Qatar adresss. We do not know the IPs for other countries.
geni wrote:
You haven't told us the IP so there isn't really every much that can be done about it
I didn't really expect to get that level of cooperation out of him, so on Wednesday when I was fixing this, I just looked up his IP addresses in the recentchanges table (i.e. the checkuser data). Unfortunately there was no obvious IP range that the ISP was using for proxies, so it's entirely possible I missed some. I'll do another search of the logs now and see if I can find some more proxies. Unfortunately given his present mood, it will be rather difficult to tell whether I've found them all. Maybe I should try to make contact with a calmer representative of the Thai Wikipedian community. It's not really fair on them to leave this as it is just because Waerth is being so unhelpful.
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling wrote:
geni wrote:
You haven't told us the IP so there isn't really every much that can be done about it
I didn't really expect to get that level of cooperation out of him, so on Wednesday when I was fixing this, I just looked up his IP addresses in the recentchanges table (i.e. the checkuser data). Unfortunately there was no obvious IP range that the ISP was using for proxies, so it's entirely possible I missed some. I'll do another search of the logs now and see if I can find some more proxies. Unfortunately given his present mood, it will be rather difficult to tell whether I've found them all. Maybe I should try to make contact with a calmer representative of the Thai Wikipedian community. It's not really fair on them to leave this as it is just because Waerth is being so unhelpful.
-- Tim Starling
I'll add that I do not think Tim should spend hours looking for an information, when someone has this information at hand and could save him (and consequently the whole project) time to do other tasks which are also much needed.
Ant
Anthere wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
geni wrote:
You haven't told us the IP so there isn't really every much that can be done about it
I didn't really expect to get that level of cooperation out of him, so on Wednesday when I was fixing this, I just looked up his IP addresses in the recentchanges table (i.e. the checkuser data). Unfortunately there was no obvious IP range that the ISP was using for proxies, so it's entirely possible I missed some. I'll do another search of the logs now and see if I can find some more proxies. Unfortunately given his present mood, it will be rather difficult to tell whether I've found them all. Maybe I should try to make contact with a calmer representative of the Thai Wikipedian community. It's not really fair on them to leave this as it is just because Waerth is being so unhelpful.
-- Tim Starling
I'll add that I do not think Tim should spend hours looking for an information, when someone has this information at hand and could save him (and consequently the whole project) time to do other tasks which are also much needed.
It's alright, it's done now. I found another 18 proxies and increased my knowledge of awk along the way.
function inrange(s) { split(s, ip, ".") return (ip[1] == 61 && ip[2] == 91 && ip[3] >= 160 && ip[3] <= 191) || (ip[1] == 203 && ip[2] == 144 && ip[3] >= 128 && ip[3] <= 144) }
inrange($5) { printf("%-20s %s\n", $5, $13) }
I ran a gigabyte of access logs through it and sorted the output, only took about a minute. Awk is quite a neat language, maybe we should rewrite MediaWiki in it ;)
-- Tim Starling
On 18/02/07, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
I ran a gigabyte of access logs through it and sorted the output, only took about a minute. Awk is quite a neat language, maybe we should rewrite MediaWiki in it ;)
I can see A, W and K reaching for the sporks as I read this.
- d.
Obvious, but worth saying.
Bradipus
----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthere" Anthere9@yahoo.com
I'll add that I do not think Tim should spend hours looking for an information, when someone has this information at hand and could save him (and consequently the whole project) time to do other tasks which are also much needed.
Ant
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Walter van Kalken wrote:
As you can see the Dutch mods have done NOTHING, ZERO, NADA. And people here say I have NO reason to be angry!
I have written over a 1000 articles to the wikipedia and now I am not able to edit them. I am raging in anger.
Here is a screenshot I took today:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8069/stillblocked1cv4.jpg
Sofar for EVERYONE can edit. I am not even a vandal. And people tell me to calm down. It has been TWO WEEKS now! And NO FUCKING BODY is doing anything at all.
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
You're welcome.
Ant
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
You're welcome.
I am happy to see that as the chairwoman of the foundation you take your responsibility for foundationpolicies which keep editors blocked so seriously. I had expected better from you.
Wikipedia:Anyone can edit .......yes as long as you do not life outside of the western countries in a country where ISP's force you into proxies. And the foundation in it's arrogance doesn't give rats ass. Oh how noble. What is worse me ranting or the foundation not caring?
Waerth
Hoi, We may start caring when you stop ranting and raving. They shoot horses don't they ? Thanks, GerardM
On 2/18/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
You're welcome.
I am happy to see that as the chairwoman of the foundation you take your responsibility for foundationpolicies which keep editors blocked so seriously. I had expected better from you.
Wikipedia:Anyone can edit .......yes as long as you do not life outside of the western countries in a country where ISP's force you into proxies. And the foundation in it's arrogance doesn't give rats ass. Oh how noble. What is worse me ranting or the foundation not caring?
Waerth
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So the victim for over a year of a policy cannot be angry. This is typical BIG COMPANY arrogance, I see it has now come to the wiki-projects.
Waerth
Hoi, We may start caring when you stop ranting and raving. They shoot horses don't they ? Thanks, GerardM
On 2/18/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
You're welcome.
I am happy to see that as the chairwoman of the foundation you take your responsibility for foundationpolicies which keep editors blocked so seriously. I had expected better from you.
Wikipedia:Anyone can edit .......yes as long as you do not life outside of the western countries in a country where ISP's force you into proxies. And the foundation in it's arrogance doesn't give rats ass. Oh how noble. What is worse me ranting or the foundation not caring?
Waerth
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Hoi, You may be angry. But it does not help you a bit when you have to rely on others to help you. When people tell you to drop dead, would you help them out ? When it comes to arrogance, your idea that we should be willing to suffer your verbal diarrhoea and help you is insane. Consider that Tim Starling made changes on your behalf and I have not even noticed that you thanked him for it...
The world does not resolve around you. It must be frustrating for you but people increasingly care less about you. When you continue like this, I expect you will be on moderation on the mailing lists in the near future.
Thanks, GerardM
Walter van Kalken schreef:
So the victim for over a year of a policy cannot be angry. This is typical BIG COMPANY arrogance, I see it has now come to the wiki-projects.
Waerth
Hoi, We may start caring when you stop ranting and raving. They shoot horses don't they ? Thanks, GerardM
On 2/18/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Fuck everyone with their stupid advices about being nice. I am leaving.
Fuck the board for putting this stupid block all proxies in effect and refusing to do anything.
You're welcome.
I am happy to see that as the chairwoman of the foundation you take your responsibility for foundationpolicies which keep editors blocked so seriously. I had expected better from you.
Wikipedia:Anyone can edit .......yes as long as you do not life outside of the western countries in a country where ISP's force you into proxies. And the foundation in it's arrogance doesn't give rats ass. Oh how noble. What is worse me ranting or the foundation not caring?
Waerth
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