How can one contact the Foundation's legal department nowadays? I can find no contact email address, just the "WMF Legal" user account and I would rather not leave a message on the talk page.

That email is incorrect. The direct email is legal-en(a)wikimedia.org. As far as I know, simply legal(a)wikimedia.org forwards to board(a)wikimedia.org or some other email address; either way, not where it needs to go. -Dan On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

WMF Legal has a email assigned to it, so you can email it via the wiki interface if you would like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/WMF_Legal _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

I've been taking care of these aliases, so to be clear: * legal(a)wikimedia.org is a good and valid address to use*. It is an alias that goes to the correct person(s), being our interim legal council. When we get a new full time council, the alias will be repointed to them. So legal(a)wikimedia.org will always be a good and safe bet. -Jon On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 07:28, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Jon Davis Office IT System & Network Administrator Wikimedia Foundation 415-839-6885 _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Correction. I've just seen Jon's email about having fixed legal@. However, it is still preferable to send legal email to legal-en(a)wikimedia.org for a faster resolution and for ease on our end. Nobody has made the OTRS team (especially the legal team) aware of any policy changes on that end, so if something major has changed without telling us, someone's got some explaining to do. -Dan On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: It will be routed much faster and is much preferable. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak(a)gmail.com> wrote: wasn't legal-en@ about english queries? in any case, it makes more sense to have legal@ for a *foundation* contact, and then have legal-en as a subqueue for english wikipedia (and related projects) _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak(a)gmail.com> wrote: Wow, you guys need to stop being so accusatory and rude; please stop assuming bad faith. No one's calling anyone a liar and they're both actually right, but in different ways. Dan's working with the Foundation for the fundraiser (so he's a "staffer" too), was an early legal intern, and has manned the legal queue on OTRS for years. Jon is a relatively new staffer with Office IT who's been helping cleanup e-mail addresses, aliases, and everything else related to Office IT. Stated simply, Jon was giving a *technical* answer, while Dan was giving a more *procedural* and policy-based answer. Here's the full story/background, as far as I know: Traditionally, we never really published a "legal" address. All complaints/issues were directed to the general Wikimedia contact address (info@wikimedia), which leads to OTRS. These complaints were then later sorted to their proper destination: info-en, another language queue, out to a staff member, to the legal queue, etc. Tickets needing legal team attention, like from real lawyers talking about litigation, went to the legal queue. Since the legal queue/team is quite small and most people do not actually need to talk to them, we never publicized the direct address to the legal queue... this is the legal-en@ address that Dan's talking about. More recently, a "legal@" alias has been created which goes straight to the current/interim General Counsel. I would assume that the reason this was created was because the Foundation has started using aliases a lot more. They probably didn't realize that we intentionally didn't make that address since most people didn't actually *need* the GC... or they did realize that, but decided it wouldn't be an issue anymore and decided that an alias would be a good idea anyway. :-) As Dan says, they'll need to figure out internally how mail should be redirected properly and how to make the best use of both the legal team and the interim GC's times. However, I wanted to make it clear that neither of them is really "wrong" or calling each other a liar. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l