On 2/6/07, geni <geniice at gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/6/07, Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com>
wrote:
In other words, no, we may not use the logo on
Wikipedia.
On en it would be allowed in [[wikipedia]] and perhaps [[wikimedia foundation]].
Geni,
I must say, I admire your intellectual consistency, if nothing else. By extension, all Wikimedia logos should also be deleted from Commons since they are unfree. If the community decided to rebel and delete all of WMF's dreadfully unfree logos, I'm sure it would make for some entertaining wikidrama and would certainly address the immediate problem.
However, since the logos exist to help foster brand identity and benefit the project, I think a better solution is to set appropriate usage guidelines and allow them to be used by users within the various Wikimedia sites. I don't think it is either hard or burdensome to regard "Copyright by Wikimedia" as an exception to Wikipedia's fair use criteria, and for the most part that has been the going practice since forever.
Unfortunately, since the WMF does own the logos, a certain amount of asking permission does seem to make sense, but this thread seems to reveal that the boundaries for what is or is not permitted are largely unresolved at this time.
-Robert Rohde
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On 2/7/07, DF dragons_flight@yahoo.com wrote:
Geni,
I must say, I admire your intellectual consistency, if nothing else. By extension, all Wikimedia logos should also be deleted from Commons since they are unfree.
Pretty much. They can be hosted locally on projects for the places where they have to be included (wiki.png and cross project links on main page) and on:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
However, since the logos exist to help foster brand identity and benefit the project, I think a better solution is to set appropriate usage guidelines and allow them to be used by users within the various Wikimedia sites.
I think that would result in a mind bending complex situation. For example who really owns the copyright on this image:
[[Image:Wikipe-tan-in-seaside.png]]
(the likely free version exists at [[Image:Wikipe-tan-in-seasidewhiteball.PNG]] )
I don't think it is either hard or burdensome to regard "Copyright by Wikimedia" as an exception to Wikipedia's fair use criteria,
Results in a very mess situation with derivatives and the use of the logo when it isn't needed.
and for the most part that has been the going practice since forever.
Apparently it has been going practice forever to tag images which people had uploaded without copyright tag with [[Template:GFDL-presumed]] I was not exactly happy about that either.
Our past copyright practices have been somewhere between poor and appalling but the cleanup has begun.
Unfortunately, since the WMF does own the logos, a certain amount of asking permission does seem to make sense, but this thread seems to reveal that the boundaries for what is or is not permitted are largely unresolved at this time.
We do not allow "with permission" images on en.
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