Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
------- Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
The new website highlights "Advocacy" as one of the three areas that the Foundation deals with, along with Research and Technology. From the page linked, it promotes the WMF's misguided and unauthorized venture into trying to influence US immigration law, now claiming it to be something the WMF does "routinely". These statements do not belong on the WMF website.
(Also, there is no longer any way to inform people responsible for the site about errors, like "do not write you own bio". Or the fact that the header is in German, despite saying that the page is in English.)
Is there any intention to have somewhere where edits can be at least proposed?
-- Yair Rand
2018-08-01 21:51 GMT-04:00 Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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Hi Greg, thank you for the update.
The bold visual design is interesting. Hopefully WMF's target audiences will like it.
I have a couple of concerns. This is not intended as an attack, and please try not to take this personally.
1. I am a bit uncertain about the appropriateness of asking affiliates and volunteers to spend valuable time translating WMF's corporate website. I am not sure that it is a request that I would make if I was in WMF's place. WMF has plenty of funding that could be used for that, and I think that affiliate and volunteer translator time would be better spent on content translation. Is there a reason to ask volunteers to spend their valuable time doing something that paid translators could do?
2. The section on "Key information - things to know" should be carefully examined by people who know Wikimedia policy and practices well. There are several places where that section needs additional work.
3. I partly share Yair's concern about the advocacy section. I have mixed views about some of WMF's public policy positions, while I fully agree with others. I suggest removing the word "routinely" unless WMF intends to become more active than it has been in the past with advocacy efforts that may be "non-core" with respect to WMF's mission, and I suggest that WMF should consider how to communicate that its own positions may or may not be representative of the positions of affiliates and contributors.
I'm busy with other issues so I probably won't spend much more time thinking about the WMF website in the near future, but I thank you for your well-intentioned efforts to modernize the site. Hopefully in the long run all will be well.
There is a page on Meta-Wiki with a talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_website
There is also a Phabricator project: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimediafoundation.org/
-greg
_______________ Sent from my iPhone - a more detailed response may be sent later.
On Aug 1, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com wrote:
The new website highlights "Advocacy" as one of the three areas that the Foundation deals with, along with Research and Technology. From the page linked, it promotes the WMF's misguided and unauthorized venture into trying to influence US immigration law, now claiming it to be something the WMF does "routinely". These statements do not belong on the WMF website.
(Also, there is no longer any way to inform people responsible for the site about errors, like "do not write you own bio". Or the fact that the header is in German, despite saying that the page is in English.)
Is there any intention to have somewhere where edits can be at least proposed?
-- Yair Rand
2018-08-01 21:51 GMT-04:00 Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com wrote:
The new website highlights "Advocacy" as one of the three areas that the Foundation deals with, along with Research and Technology. From the page linked, it promotes the WMF's misguided and unauthorized venture into trying to influence US immigration law, now claiming it to be something the WMF does "routinely". These statements do not belong on the WMF website.
Completely agree. But given that there is no sign of WMF willing to keep advocacy within its core mission, I would like to know where can we propose and discuss advocacy areas? There is a number of issues that affect the work of Wikimedians that would need to be prioritized.
Best,
Mario
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Mario Gómez mariogomwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com wrote:
The new website highlights "Advocacy" as one of the three areas that the Foundation deals with, along with Research and Technology. From the page linked, it promotes the WMF's misguided and unauthorized venture into trying to influence US immigration law, now claiming it to be something the WMF does "routinely". These statements do not belong on the WMF website.
Completely agree. But given that there is no sign of WMF willing to keep advocacy within its core mission, I would like to know where can we propose and discuss advocacy areas? There is a number of issues that affect the work of Wikimedians that would need to be prioritized.
Best,
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Hi Gregory,
I just looked quickly at the new site, which is a very refreshing change, and I'll send later more detailed feedback...
But I must say I really like the leadership page: https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/leadership/
Not from a design, content or functional point of view, but because I suddenly noticed that most of the leadership team were women, which made me really proud. It's so not obvious.
J
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:51 AM, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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Is there any way for us (others outside the team) to file bulk tasks/apply fixes to this? Is the source in gerrit/tasks tracked in phabricator, or is it somewhere else?
-I
On 02/08/18 01:51, Gregory Varnum wrote:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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Wow. Really impressive, modern and colorful. The type look quite bold and the overall flow is pleasant. The theme somehow felt a bit like Mozilla sites as well (in a good way). Congratulations comms. <3
Subhashish
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:21 AM, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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I like it. I do feel the Wikimedia foundation is diverging from it's previous role as custodian of Wikipedia, and becoming a international advocacy group. I feel this change is welcome and will help develop the Creative Commons mission beyond just Wikipedia and it's sister sites.
I take it the design of the site is CC-BY-SA-4.0, this is nice since it allows others to copy the design.
Overall it's an improvement from the previous site.
Warm Regards
Jeremy Lee-Jenkins
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhashish@gmail.com wrote:
Wow. Really impressive, modern and colorful. The type look quite bold and the overall flow is pleasant. The theme somehow felt a bit like Mozilla sites as well (in a good way). Congratulations comms. <3
Subhashish
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:21 AM, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese,
French,
German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more
formally
implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the
coming
weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will
continue
to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for
migrating
archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We
are
very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which
was
only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team
(Heather,
Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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Nice work!
I checked on my own face on the staff page and would like to request two changes:
Please change my name to "Adam Wight", the longer name was silly. Also, please change the image to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adam_Roses_Wight.jpg , I donno why it was reset to the missing image.
Thanks, Adam
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:51 PM Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
So what comes next?
Throughout this week, the Communications department and core website team will be doing final tweaks and quality assurance testing in preparations for translations.
Over the coming weeks we will be working with affiliates and contributors around the world to make the site in available in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Russian, and Spanish - in addition to the English version soft launched today. Once the translations are completed, we will be doing a more public announcement regarding the new website and begin more formally implementing usage of it.
Additionally, we will be holding office hours in the coming weeks.
What about the old website?
The old website (aka Foundation Wiki) will be given new life in the coming weeks as the Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki - where it will continue to house important documentation for the Wikimedia Foundation like policies, board resolutions and minutes, legal documents, etc. Additional information on the changes coming to that wiki and the plans for migrating archived content to Meta-Wiki will be available in the coming weeks.
What else should I know?
There is a lot of great things about this new website we are excited to share with all of you! More information about office hours will available in the coming weeks. Until then, we encourage you to take a look and contact me directly if you find any bugs, typos, or have any comments.
Thank you!
The Communications department greatly appreciates all of the discussions, work, and patience everyone has put into this gigantic undertaking. We are very close to the finish line, and today marks a significant step which was only possible with the help of the 100+ people involved.
On behalf of the Communications department and core website team (Heather, Zack, Katherine, Mel, and Greg),
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
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Gregory Varnum wrote:
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The English home page inexplicably has German text at the top. I'm super-confused how nobody has noticed or fixed this yet, given how prominent it is on the page. It's also now been there long enough that Google search results are including it. Woof.
It's very sad that the Wikimedia Foundation Inc. communications department unilaterally decided to move away from MediaWiki to WordPress. And in the process, your team made the site a lot less accessible to edits and changes. Many people, including employees of Wikimedia Foundation Inc. and volunteers, repeatedly raised objections to this decision to move to WordPress and they were ignored. I think this type of behavior by the communications department is really inappropriate, unbecoming, and inconsistent with Wikimedia's values.
I also agree with Yair Rand that the focus on "Advocacy" is misplaced.
MZMcBride
MZMcBride wrote:
Gregory Varnum wrote:
After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the organization and movement, the Wikimedia Foundation's new website soft launched this week!
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The English home page inexplicably has German text at the top. I'm super-confused how nobody has noticed or fixed this yet, given how prominent it is on the page. It's also now been there long enough that Google search results are including it. Woof.
Ah, I see now. This is just some cruel waste of staff and volunteer time: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200742. You ask for people to point out issues, even providing a link to Phabricator Maniphest, and then gaslight them by closing the tasks and telling them that the very obvious bug is intentional.
MZMcBride
Greg, while mentioning that there are talk pages and Phabricator tasks is fine, the issues and questions raised on this mailing list are on topic and not so specific that moving them off list seems necessary. I think that you should generally respond to questions and comments here if they were raised here. If the discussions become highly specific then yes moving them to talk pages or Phabricator could be better.
MZMcBride, you may disagree with Greg on whether an issue is a bug or a feature, or whether a bug/feature is a good idea, but you could express that view in a way that assumes good faith unless evidence emerges to the contrary.
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
* PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc) * Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
There are several more issues I've noticed with the new website: * According to the notice at the bottom, the company "Automattic Inc." is receiving all sorts of data about all visitors to the site, including location information, cookie data, data from pixel tags/web beacons used to track visitors and target ads on other WordPress sites, and other data. * The "non-wiki privacy policy of the Wikimedia Foundation" linked at the bottom is different than the regular privacy policy. Why is this? * Much of the content is essentially English-Wikipedia-only. "Visit The Teahouse for a friendly place to learn about editing" Most Wikipedias don't have teahouses or equivalents. * In "Wikimedia projects": "Wikipedia - All the world's knowledge". See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]]. * "Working with partners like Google, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and UNESCO, Wikimedia...". I don't think most Wikimedians are okay with the WMF describing Google as among its partners. Nor the Met or UNESCO, for that matter. * In the "Technology" section, there's a paragraph devoted to bragging about how NASA has an internal Mediawiki wiki. I don't think that belongs there. * The actual Wikimedia Foundation Mission is kind of buried deep in the site. The Mission is the definitive version of what the WMF is supposed to be doing, and I really think it should be highlighted somewhere in a more prominent position.
"The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally.
In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Wikimedia Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity."
-- Yair Rand
2018-08-03 17:12 GMT-04:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your
browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
- PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
- Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
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Indeed an special watered down privacy policy is strange. It is worth noting that the standard privacy policy[1] does not state that it only applies to "wiki based websites" but instead lists what it does and does not cover[2], the only interpretation that allows a separate policy for the new website weirdly leaves* https://wikimediafoundation.org/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/ as being defined to not be a major site of WMF. *
Irregardless of possible poor wording of both privacy policies, I find it strange that the main website for WMF has a tracking pixel and forces visitors to provide users' personal information (as defined by either privacy policies) to Google and Wordpress.com.
Perhaps this is something WMF could revisit?
Best regards, Chico Venancio
[1]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy [2]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#coverage
2018-08-06 2:06 GMT-03:00 Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com:
There are several more issues I've noticed with the new website:
- According to the notice at the bottom, the company "Automattic Inc." is
receiving all sorts of data about all visitors to the site, including location information, cookie data, data from pixel tags/web beacons used to track visitors and target ads on other WordPress sites, and other data.
- The "non-wiki privacy policy of the Wikimedia Foundation" linked at the
bottom is different than the regular privacy policy. Why is this?
- Much of the content is essentially English-Wikipedia-only. "Visit The
Teahouse for a friendly place to learn about editing" Most Wikipedias don't have teahouses or equivalents.
- In "Wikimedia projects": "Wikipedia - All the world's knowledge". See
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]].
- "Working with partners like Google, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and
UNESCO, Wikimedia...". I don't think most Wikimedians are okay with the WMF describing Google as among its partners. Nor the Met or UNESCO, for that matter.
- In the "Technology" section, there's a paragraph devoted to bragging
about how NASA has an internal Mediawiki wiki. I don't think that belongs there.
- The actual Wikimedia Foundation Mission is kind of buried deep in the
site. The Mission is the definitive version of what the WMF is supposed to be doing, and I really think it should be highlighted somewhere in a more prominent position.
"The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally.
In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Wikimedia Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity."
-- Yair Rand
2018-08-03 17:12 GMT-04:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your
browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
- PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
- Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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I can imagine that this alternate privacy policy is actually covering a wider range of sites that are non-wiki, such as the fundraising infrastructure and the survey websites, voting websites etc. Rather than having a different privacy policy for each of those instances, I think it is actually clearer to have two policies: one for the content delivery (the 'wikis') that have practically zero cookie tracking to the best of my knowledge and one for the other websites that may require other methods to be functional.
As a sidenote, I think it actually could be a totally fair statement to say that wikimediafoundation.org is, relative to the content projects, not a 'major site' of the WMF. It is supporting infrastructure at best. (no offense :) )
Lodewijk
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:23 AM Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed an special watered down privacy policy is strange. It is worth noting that the standard privacy policy[1] does not state that it only applies to "wiki based websites" but instead lists what it does and does not cover[2], the only interpretation that allows a separate policy for the new website weirdly leaves* https://wikimediafoundation.org/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/ as being defined to not be a major site of WMF. *
Irregardless of possible poor wording of both privacy policies, I find it strange that the main website for WMF has a tracking pixel and forces visitors to provide users' personal information (as defined by either privacy policies) to Google and Wordpress.com.
Perhaps this is something WMF could revisit?
Best regards, Chico Venancio
[1]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy [2]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#coverage
2018-08-06 2:06 GMT-03:00 Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com:
There are several more issues I've noticed with the new website:
- According to the notice at the bottom, the company "Automattic Inc." is
receiving all sorts of data about all visitors to the site, including location information, cookie data, data from pixel tags/web beacons used
to
track visitors and target ads on other WordPress sites, and other data.
- The "non-wiki privacy policy of the Wikimedia Foundation" linked at the
bottom is different than the regular privacy policy. Why is this?
- Much of the content is essentially English-Wikipedia-only. "Visit The
Teahouse for a friendly place to learn about editing" Most Wikipedias
don't
have teahouses or equivalents.
- In "Wikimedia projects": "Wikipedia - All the world's knowledge". See
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of
information]].
- "Working with partners like Google, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and
UNESCO, Wikimedia...". I don't think most Wikimedians are okay with the
WMF
describing Google as among its partners. Nor the Met or UNESCO, for that matter.
- In the "Technology" section, there's a paragraph devoted to bragging
about how NASA has an internal Mediawiki wiki. I don't think that belongs there.
- The actual Wikimedia Foundation Mission is kind of buried deep in the
site. The Mission is the definitive version of what the WMF is supposed
to
be doing, and I really think it should be highlighted somewhere in a more prominent position.
"The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally.
In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Wikimedia Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity."
-- Yair Rand
2018-08-03 17:12 GMT-04:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org
wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your
browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
- PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
- Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Hi Lodewijk,
I'm not sure exactly what, if any, other sites this new privacy policy might cover. However I can confirm that the WMF fundraising infrastructure remains under the existing Donor Privacy Policy: https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Donor_privacy_policy/en
Thanks, Peter
I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site properly. What kind of visitor tracking are we using in this site? And if someone is not willing to be tracked, this site should load fully without breaking the styling. --- Shabab Mustafa T. @tarunno S. shabab.mustafa W. https://shabab.me
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Peter Coombe pcoombe@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
I'm not sure exactly what, if any, other sites this new privacy policy might cover. However I can confirm that the WMF fundraising infrastructure remains under the existing Donor Privacy Policy: https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Donor_privacy_policy/en
Thanks, Peter
-- Peter Coombe Fundraising Production Manager Wikimedia Foundation
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 at 20:00, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I can imagine that this alternate privacy policy is actually covering a wider range of sites that are non-wiki, such as the fundraising infrastructure and the survey websites, voting websites etc. Rather than having a different privacy policy for each of those instances, I think it is actually clearer to have two policies: one for the content delivery
(the
'wikis') that have practically zero cookie tracking to the best of my knowledge and one for the other websites that may require other methods
to
be functional.
As a sidenote, I think it actually could be a totally fair statement to
say
that wikimediafoundation.org is, relative to the content projects, not a 'major site' of the WMF. It is supporting infrastructure at best. (no offense :) )
Lodewijk
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:23 AM Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed an special watered down privacy policy is strange. It is worth noting that the standard privacy policy[1] does not state that it only applies to "wiki based websites" but instead lists what it does and
does
not cover[2], the only interpretation that allows a separate policy for
the
new website weirdly leaves* https://wikimediafoundation.org/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/ as being defined to not be a major
site
of WMF. *
Irregardless of possible poor wording of both privacy policies, I find
it
strange that the main website for WMF has a tracking pixel and forces visitors to provide users' personal information (as defined by either privacy policies) to Google and Wordpress.com.
Perhaps this is something WMF could revisit?
Best regards, Chico Venancio
[1]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy [2]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#coverage
2018-08-06 2:06 GMT-03:00 Yair Rand yyairrand@gmail.com:
There are several more issues I've noticed with the new website:
- According to the notice at the bottom, the company "Automattic
Inc."
is
receiving all sorts of data about all visitors to the site, including location information, cookie data, data from pixel tags/web beacons
used
to
track visitors and target ads on other WordPress sites, and other
data.
- The "non-wiki privacy policy of the Wikimedia Foundation" linked at
the
bottom is different than the regular privacy policy. Why is this?
- Much of the content is essentially English-Wikipedia-only. "Visit
The
Teahouse for a friendly place to learn about editing" Most Wikipedias
don't
have teahouses or equivalents.
- In "Wikimedia projects": "Wikipedia - All the world's knowledge".
See
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of
information]].
- "Working with partners like Google, the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
and
UNESCO, Wikimedia...". I don't think most Wikimedians are okay with
the
WMF
describing Google as among its partners. Nor the Met or UNESCO, for
that
matter.
- In the "Technology" section, there's a paragraph devoted to
bragging
about how NASA has an internal Mediawiki wiki. I don't think that
belongs
there.
- The actual Wikimedia Foundation Mission is kind of buried deep in
the
site. The Mission is the definitive version of what the WMF is
supposed
to
be doing, and I really think it should be highlighted somewhere in a
more
prominent position.
"The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage
people
around the world to collect and develop educational content under a
free
license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively
and
globally.
In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Wikimedia Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework
for
the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free
of
charge, in perpetuity."
-- Yair Rand
2018-08-03 17:12 GMT-04:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org
wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear
your
browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative
Commons
material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
- PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
- Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our
users.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might
not
be available under a free license in the United States because it
is
based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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On 8 August 2018 at 15:23, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:
I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site properly.
This is how it appears for me, in Firefox (current version) with AdBlockPlus enabled:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-_2018-08-08_-_Wikimedia_...
AdBlockPlus is reportedly active on 100 million devices.
It also does not seem to work correctly on mobile (android):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMFnewsiteonandroidmobile.png
Best regards, antanana
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 17:47 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 8 August 2018 at 15:23, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:
I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site properly.
This is how it appears for me, in Firefox (current version) with AdBlockPlus enabled:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-_2018-08-08_-_Wikimedia_...
AdBlockPlus is reportedly active on 100 million devices.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Hello,
Thank you to everyone that has sent in productive feedback and bug reports! In the interest of having this conversation more transparently and succinctly, we have answered a number of questions on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page for this site: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website
We will continue to monitor feedback, address bugs during soft launch, and let you know when the translations are in place and we are ready for the full launch of the site.
Again, thank you all for your patience during the soft launch of this site.
-greg
------- Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:28 AM, attolippip attolippip@gmail.com wrote:
It also does not seem to work correctly on mobile (android):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMFnewsiteonandroidmobile.png
Best regards, antanana
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 17:47 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 8 August 2018 at 15:23, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:
I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site properly.
This is how it appears for me, in Firefox (current version) with AdBlockPlus enabled:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-_2018-08-08_-_Wikimedia_...
AdBlockPlus is reportedly active on 100 million devices.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Huh? it’s already been live at https://wikimediafoundation.org/ for the last week or so - that’s not a “soft launch”, that’s a full launch (maybe without the trimmings).
Should I repost the comments/bug reports I sent to wmfcc-l last week more publicly?
Thanks, Mike
On 10 Aug 2018, at 22:34, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
Thank you to everyone that has sent in productive feedback and bug reports! In the interest of having this conversation more transparently and succinctly, we have answered a number of questions on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page for this site: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website
We will continue to monitor feedback, address bugs during soft launch, and let you know when the translations are in place and we are ready for the full launch of the site.
Again, thank you all for your patience during the soft launch of this site.
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:28 AM, attolippip attolippip@gmail.com wrote:
It also does not seem to work correctly on mobile (android):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMFnewsiteonandroidmobile.png
Best regards, antanana
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 17:47 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 8 August 2018 at 15:23, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:
I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site properly.
This is how it appears for me, in Firefox (current version) with AdBlockPlus enabled:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-_2018-08-08_-_Wikimedia_...
AdBlockPlus is reportedly active on 100 million devices.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Mike, the "soft" part of the launch is that it is available only in English, has not been heavily promoted and every link and reference elsewhere has not been transitioned. This info was in Gregory's initial post about the soft launch on the 1st.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:50 PM Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Huh? it’s already been live at https://wikimediafoundation.org/ for the last week or so - that’s not a “soft launch”, that’s a full launch (maybe without the trimmings).
Should I repost the comments/bug reports I sent to wmfcc-l last week more publicly?
Thanks, Mike
On 10 Aug 2018, at 22:34, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
Thank you to everyone that has sent in productive feedback and bug
reports! In the interest of having this conversation more transparently and succinctly, we have answered a number of questions on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page for this site: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website
We will continue to monitor feedback, address bugs during soft launch,
and let you know when the translations are in place and we are ready for the full launch of the site.
Again, thank you all for your patience during the soft launch of this
site.
-greg
Gregory Varnum Communications Strategist Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ gvarnum@wikimedia.org Pronouns: He/Him/His
On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:28 AM, attolippip attolippip@gmail.com wrote:
It also does not seem to work correctly on mobile (android):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMFnewsiteonandroidmobile.png
Best regards, antanana
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 17:47 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
On 8 August 2018 at 15:23, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:
I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site
properly.
This is how it appears for me, in Firefox (current version) with AdBlockPlus enabled:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-_2018-08-08_-_Wikimedia_...
AdBlockPlus is reportedly active on 100 million devices.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Greg, thank you for the update. Now would be a good time to correct the faulty information that's on the main page of the new website in the "Key Information" section.
I have several more pointed thoughts, but I think that those comments would further alienate WMF people and you/they would react to my comments by being defensive instead of improving, so I'm stopping here for the moment.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Huh? it’s already been live at https://wikimediafoundation.org/ for the last week or so - that’s not a “soft launch”, that’s a full launch (maybe without the trimmings).
Should I repost the comments/bug reports I sent to wmfcc-l last week more publicly?
Thanks, Mike
It would probably be best to file them in phabricator for improved tracking of the bug reports: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimedia...
On 3 August 2018 at 22:12, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
- PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
- Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 3 August 2018 at 22:12, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your
browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons
material. "
That is not true. Material includes:
- PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
- Fair-use copyright material.
In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking of issues compared to on the mailing list: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimedia...
On 11 August 2018 at 23:19, a b cheeseyapacman@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
[Two outstanding issues with the new website]
Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking of issues compared to on the mailing list:
Thank you; no.
On 11 August 2018 at 20:50, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 3 August 2018 at 22:12, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum gvarnum@wikimedia.org wrote:
You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's cache): https://wikimediafoundation.org/
The home page currently says:
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at WMF has even acknowledged my comment.
On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at WMF has even acknowledged my comment.
Hello,
As several people pointed out, the issues should be reported on Phabricator. As "a b" stated on August 12th:
Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking of issues compared to on the mailing list: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimedia...
To which you kindly replied:
Thank you; no.
So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.
Until you do so, your concerns will stay under the radar on this list.
Wow. Just...wow.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:24 AM Antoine Musso hashar+wmf@free.fr wrote:
On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at WMF has even acknowledged my comment.
Hello,
As several people pointed out, the issues should be reported on Phabricator. As "a b" stated on August 12th:
Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking
of
issues compared to on the mailing list:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimedia...
To which you kindly replied:
Thank you; no.
So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.
Until you do so, your concerns will stay under the radar on this list.
-- Antoine "hashar" Musso
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Agree with Jane. Wow. For those unaware, Antoine Musso is a WMF Software developer, which you would never know based on their email signature.
Hey fellow long-term unpaid volunteers. Remember that the WMF was created by us not that long ago, and had a single mission, to support us volunteers and our shared open knowledge mission?
A drip, drip of "communication failures", along with the core Americanocentic obsession with hearing praise and ignoring critics must change, or we will all eventually take the hint that we are neither wanted or needed here, and find or establish a new and more rewarding place to have fun. Do we really need a revolution to flip the WMF upside down, or is there a better way to speedily reshape the WMF so it regains its focus on the outside world rather than the brilliance of its employees?
Fae
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 09:55, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Wow. Just...wow.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:24 AM Antoine Musso hashar+wmf@free.fr wrote:
On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at WMF has even acknowledged my comment.
Hello,
As several people pointed out, the issues should be reported on Phabricator. As "a b" stated on August 12th:
Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking
of
issues compared to on the mailing list:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimedia...
To which you kindly replied:
Thank you; no.
So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.
Until you do so, your concerns will stay under the radar on this list.
-- Antoine "hashar" Musso
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On 22 August 2018 at 09:24, Antoine Musso hashar+wmf@free.fr wrote:
On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:
The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites is available as Creative Commons material".
This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?
Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not be available under a free license in the United States because it is based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright under U.S. law."
This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at WMF has even acknowledged my comment.
As several people pointed out, the issues should be reported on Phabricator. As "a b" stated on August 12th:
If "several people" pointed this out, they did not do so on this list. perhaps you can provide a link to where they did so.
Had I seen anyone point that out I would have commented then, as I do now, that that is not an acceptable position to take, for reasons which I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.
I'll also note that a a member of WMF staff, using their wikimedia.org email address, has thanked people, in this thread, for feedback given /in this thread/.
Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking of issues compared to on the mailing list: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimedia...
You've quoted that unattributed, in manner (two chevrons) that makes it appear to have been said my me. In fact, it was said by a b cheeseyapacman@gmail.com on 11 August 2018 at 23:19
To which you kindly replied:
Thank you; no.
Indeed so; for the same reason as I indicated above, and as others have pointed out in this thread.
So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.
Were I to perform that redundant clerical task, perhaps they would.
Until you do so, your concerns will stay under the radar on this list.
That's rather an odd assertion, given that I posted a pointer to my last update on this list, here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_websi...
being the talk page of a page Gregory Varnum has told us, in this very thread, to use for giving feedback. I note that Gregory has since edited that talk page, so can be presumed to have seen it; albeit he did not give a reply.
On 22/08/2018 13:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:
So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.
Were I to perform that redundant clerical task, perhaps they would.
Until you do so, your concerns will stay under the radar on this list.
That's rather an odd assertion, given that I posted a pointer to my last update on this list, here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website&diff=18292898&oldid=18291338
Hello,
I was merely suggesting that your reply on this list probably got forgotten somehow. Phabricator is tailored toward tracking an issue from its opening until its resolution. It is a great tool.
My apologizes to have phrased that in a bad and harsh way :-\
I guess Gregory Varnum (and others involved in the project) do monitor the talk page. So you should get a reply there.
On 22 August 2018 at 09:24, Antoine Musso hashar+wmf@free.fr wrote:
So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.
This would be the site who's privacy policy says
Because we believe that you shouldn’t have to provide personal information to participate in the free knowledge movement, you may:
Read, edit, or use any Wikimedia Site without registering an account.
Okey cheap but is does display at certian lack of attention on your part.
The problem is you are asking us to learn our way around yet another bit of software in order to raise issues. Not just learning how to submit but also how to navigate around to see what is going on. Sure I'm tech savy and I can work it out if I need to (although I don't see how to zoom into tickets from this page without subscribing to them https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimediafoundation.org/ ) but its another barrier to entry, another bit of software I need to keep track of.
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