Hey all,
Right now we have the Cafepress shop for T-shirts and the like, but in general the quality of the products that Cafepress produce is pretty low. I am told that whilst gentoo has a shop there, the conference organisers actually use a seperate company to produce much the same thing for the conferences due to the lack of quality described. While I haven't bought any T-shirts from them thus far, other things I have bought have been of similar poor quality.
So, do we presently have any alternative ways to get T-shirts? I want one!
Thanks,
Sean
On 26/08/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
So, do we presently have any alternative ways to get T-shirts? I want one!
Any high street printer these days will do mugs, T-shirts, etc. just like CafePress, without their postage costs. So print one yourself and send 20% of the cost to the Foundation ;-)
- d.
On 26/08/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
So, do we presently have any alternative ways to get T-shirts? I want one!
Any high street printer these days will do mugs, T-shirts, etc. just like CafePress, without their postage costs. So print one yourself and send 20% of the cost to the Foundation ;-)
Excuse my stupidity, but is this considered fair use of the logos?
On 26/08/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
So, do we presently have any alternative ways to get T-shirts? I want one!
Any high street printer these days will do mugs, T-shirts, etc. just like CafePress, without their postage costs. So print one yourself and send 20% of the cost to the Foundation ;-)
Excuse my stupidity, but is this considered fair use of the logos?
I think in practice no-one is going to sue.
Put it this way: I need to make up a couple such shirts for short-notice media appearances ...
- d.
On 8/26/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
So, do we presently have any alternative ways to get T-shirts? I want one!
Any high street printer these days will do mugs, T-shirts, etc. just like CafePress, without their postage costs. So print one yourself and send 20% of the cost to the Foundation ;-)
Excuse my stupidity, but is this considered fair use of the logos?
Nope.
The cafepress issue has been ah ongoing.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_ideas#Stop_useing_cafepress
And I think before that.
A couple of months back it looked like there might be some movement but since then zilch.
On 8/26/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
Right now we have the Cafepress shop for T-shirts and the like, but in general the quality of the products that Cafepress produce is pretty low. I am told that whilst gentoo has a shop there, the conference organisers actually use a seperate company to produce much the same thing for the conferences due to the lack of quality described. While I haven't bought any T-shirts from them thus far, other things I have bought have been of similar poor quality.
Last time I checked, Vishal was comparing multiple alternatives. This likely doesn't have any priority right now as the revenue from merchandising tends to be comparatively small.
I'm fairly happy with everything I've purchased through CP, but I'm probably about 20 degrees removed from a person who could give an informed opinion about such matters. That said, mere rumors and personal anecdotes are not particularly compelling. I'd like to hear some more substantive criticisms than "poor quality", preferably a comparison of multiple vendors published in a reliable source. If it's not sufficiently sourced by Wikipedia's standards of inclusion, it's not enough to base a decision on. ;-)
Erik Moeller wrote:
On 8/26/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
Right now we have the Cafepress shop for T-shirts and the like, but in general the quality of the products that Cafepress produce is pretty low. I am told that whilst gentoo has a shop there, the conference organisers actually use a seperate company to produce much the same thing for the conferences due to the lack of quality described. While I haven't bought any T-shirts from them thus far, other things I have bought have been of similar poor quality.
Last time I checked, Vishal was comparing multiple alternatives. This likely doesn't have any priority right now as the revenue from merchandising tends to be comparatively small.
There is also the proposition from the branding company. If we sign a deal with them, it would be within their role to find a more suitable (if more suitable there is) company for tee-shirt printing I guess.
I agree it is not a priority from a "revenue" point of view; This said, from a consumer point of view, the quality is a little bit more important than "revenue" :-) If tee-shirts do not bring significant revenue, then the quality is a priority over revenue... Exploring options to change tee-shirt providers and taking primarily into account revenue as a variable is, imho, a mistake. Tee-shirts are not done to bring money, but mostly because it is fun and team building.
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ant
I'm fairly happy with everything I've purchased through CP, but I'm probably about 20 degrees removed from a person who could give an informed opinion about such matters. That said, mere rumors and personal anecdotes are not particularly compelling. I'd like to hear some more substantive criticisms than "poor quality", preferably a comparison of multiple vendors published in a reliable source. If it's not sufficiently sourced by Wikipedia's standards of inclusion, it's not enough to base a decision on. ;-)
Yes, exactly re fun and teambuilding. And to that point, one of the benefits of CafePress is actually its findability and ease of use - people expect to find WMF material there, and they do. (I say this as a person who went and found and bought our stuff there, long before I ever saw the CP link on our site - I'm probably not alone in that.)
And although I too have heard the complaints about quality, my shirts are holding up fine :-)
Regardless, yes, Vishal has been looking at this, and yes, it has not been a particularly high priority. Really it's the branding company who will handle it, if we sign with one. They will have the industry knowledge and the relationships to make a recommendation for what's best.
Thanks, Sue
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:40:16 To:foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Alternatives to Cafepress
Erik Moeller wrote:
On 8/26/07, Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com wrote:
Right now we have the Cafepress shop for T-shirts and the like, but in general the quality of the products that Cafepress produce is pretty low. I am told that whilst gentoo has a shop there, the conference organisers actually use a seperate company to produce much the same thing for the conferences due to the lack of quality described. While I haven't bought any T-shirts from them thus far, other things I have bought have been of similar poor quality.
Last time I checked, Vishal was comparing multiple alternatives. This likely doesn't have any priority right now as the revenue from merchandising tends to be comparatively small.
There is also the proposition from the branding company. If we sign a deal with them, it would be within their role to find a more suitable (if more suitable there is) company for tee-shirt printing I guess.
I agree it is not a priority from a "revenue" point of view; This said, from a consumer point of view, the quality is a little bit more important than "revenue" :-) If tee-shirts do not bring significant revenue, then the quality is a priority over revenue... Exploring options to change tee-shirt providers and taking primarily into account revenue as a variable is, imho, a mistake. Tee-shirts are not done to bring money, but mostly because it is fun and team building.
LINK ! http://www.aboutus.org/WikiWear.org
ant
I'm fairly happy with everything I've purchased through CP, but I'm probably about 20 degrees removed from a person who could give an informed opinion about such matters. That said, mere rumors and personal anecdotes are not particularly compelling. I'd like to hear some more substantive criticisms than "poor quality", preferably a comparison of multiple vendors published in a reliable source. If it's not sufficiently sourced by Wikipedia's standards of inclusion, it's not enough to base a decision on. ;-)
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Sue Gardner wrote:
Regardless, yes, Vishal has been looking at this, and yes, it has not been a particularly high priority. Really it's the branding company who will handle it, if we sign with one. They will have the industry knowledge and the relationships to make a recommendation for what's best.
Do you really need "industry knowledge" to sell mugs and t-shirts? I thought knowledge about the community that is going to *buy* these items is more important. Where and how do people normally buy their favorite t-shirts for projects such as Wikipedia? I'd say Cafepress is the mainstream alternative, at least for the U.S.
The much neglected German/European store might provide better prices and delivery times for buyers in much of Europe, http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=10292
A month ago I made a T-shirt printable large logotype for the Swedish Wikipedia [[Image:Wikipedia-logo-sv-large.png]]. When I asked if I could print this and wear, I was told to print nothing before there is a Swedish chapter established. Apparently I'm free to buy English text T-shirts from Cafepress (or German ones from Spreadshirt) and wear or abuse these shirts as I like, just not print my own. The logic behind this escapes me. I've also tried to make people add the Swedish shirt design to the existing shops at Cafepress or Spreadshirt, to no avail.
On 8/26/07, Lars Aronsson lars@aronsson.se wrote:
Do you really need "industry knowledge" to sell mugs and t-shirts? I thought knowledge about the community that is going to *buy* these items is more important. Where and how do people normally buy their favorite t-shirts for projects such as Wikipedia? I'd say Cafepress is the mainstream alternative, at least for the U.S.
Printing the Wikipedia logo on t-shirts is one thing, but developing a full product line of Wikimedia-branded merchandise is something that deserves some careful thought and professional attention.
A month ago I made a T-shirt printable large logotype for the Swedish Wikipedia [[Image:Wikipedia-logo-sv-large.png]]. When I asked if I could print this and wear, I was told to print nothing before there is a Swedish chapter established.
I don't know who told you this, but either they were misinformed or you misunderstood. While a Swedish chapter with which we have a trademark agreement would be able to arrange such a thing, just as the German or Polish chapters could, there's certainly no plan I'm aware of to delay merchandising of language-specific products until we have chapters whose members speak those languages. I expect that any future merchandising plans will include designs that reflect the linguistic diversity of the various Wikimedia projects.
In the meantime, I'll note that the Foundation has never sued anyone for printing logo Ts for themselves and a few friends, so long as you don't make them generally available to others. Selling stuff printed with Wikimedia's trademarks is a can of worms that everybody's particularly cautious about, and quite reasonably so.
Austin
I've been wearing my Wikipedia golf shirt, purchased I believe at Cafe Press, for three years. It is as white as ever and has not suffered in quality.
On 8/26/07, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/26/07, Lars Aronsson lars@aronsson.se wrote:
Do you really need "industry knowledge" to sell mugs and t-shirts? I thought knowledge about the community that is going to *buy* these items is more important. Where and how do people normally buy their favorite t-shirts for projects such as Wikipedia? I'd say Cafepress is the mainstream alternative, at least for the U.S.
Printing the Wikipedia logo on t-shirts is one thing, but developing a full product line of Wikimedia-branded merchandise is something that deserves some careful thought and professional attention.
A month ago I made a T-shirt printable large logotype for the Swedish Wikipedia [[Image:Wikipedia-logo-sv-large.png]]. When I asked if I could print this and wear, I was told to print nothing before there is a Swedish chapter established.
I don't know who told you this, but either they were misinformed or you misunderstood. While a Swedish chapter with which we have a trademark agreement would be able to arrange such a thing, just as the German or Polish chapters could, there's certainly no plan I'm aware of to delay merchandising of language-specific products until we have chapters whose members speak those languages. I expect that any future merchandising plans will include designs that reflect the linguistic diversity of the various Wikimedia projects.
In the meantime, I'll note that the Foundation has never sued anyone for printing logo Ts for themselves and a few friends, so long as you don't make them generally available to others. Selling stuff printed with Wikimedia's trademarks is a can of worms that everybody's particularly cautious about, and quite reasonably so.
Austin
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On 26/08/07, Brian Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
I've been wearing my Wikipedia golf shirt, purchased I believe at Cafe Press, for three years. It is as white as ever and has not suffered in quality.
The main problem with the CafePress process (and that used by most one-off printers) is that it's basically laser-printing to a shirt, i.e. toner particles melted into the fibres. This can work very well indeed, but is not going to be as good as silk-screen printing, which becomes cost-effective at a few tens of shirts or so.
Of course, the other thing you're buying from CafePress is having someone do all the ordering, packing and posting backend - not just making sure you don't have a stock of maybe-saleable shirts.
- d.
On 26/08/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Brian Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
I've been wearing my Wikipedia golf shirt, purchased I believe at Cafe Press, for three years. It is as white as ever and has not suffered in quality.
The main problem with the CafePress process (and that used by most one-off printers) is that it's basically laser-printing to a shirt, i.e. toner particles melted into the fibres. This can work very well indeed, but is not going to be as good as silk-screen printing, which becomes cost-effective at a few tens of shirts or so.
I haven't actually got a T-shirt myself as I said so I am encouraged by what you say about them being of reasonable quality. The things I have bought are a calendar and a mug which we okay, but nothing special. After what you have said I may consider buying one, but I do know of a shop in town.
Perhaps there is a difference between the different types of T-shirt they produce?
On 26/08/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
I agree it is not a priority from a "revenue" point of view; This said, from a consumer point of view, the quality is a little bit more important than "revenue" :-)
I agree with this, for the team-building you mentioned. Also, if people are wearing T-shirts who are involved, other people in Real Life are going to ask about it, and then awareness of us is going to profit. Unless we open a clothing chain I don't think are ever going to earn a lot in terms of cash from something like this, so our priority should be as you say to get the other, more social benefits.
Btw I am highly amused by the slogan of "capitalism done right" on GoodStorm.
On 8/26/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Brian Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
I've been wearing my Wikipedia golf shirt, purchased I believe at Cafe Press, for three years. It is as white as ever and has not suffered in quality.
The main problem with the CafePress process (and that used by most one-off printers) is that it's basically laser-printing to a shirt, i.e. toner particles melted into the fibres. This can work very well indeed, but is not going to be as good as silk-screen printing, which becomes cost-effective at a few tens of shirts or so.
For most of the fabrics, it's actually inkjet to a transfer "paper", which is then ironed on to the clothing item. Attempting to direct-print to fabric is problematic at this time.
My wife has had stuff on CafePress for many years and has been active talking with them about technology on and off. She also does her own stuff, for items where CafePress doesn't produce that type of item, using a decent home inkjet printer and commercial iron-on transfer material.
Of course, the other thing you're buying from CafePress is having someone do all the ordering, packing and posting backend - not just making sure you don't have a stock of maybe-saleable shirts.
Right. This is the big reason to use Cafe Press or its ilk; they don't just produce the items, they have the "Store", and you don't have to be in the "Store" business. Just send them the design, and collect whatever royalties the sales earn.
There are plenty of screen print T-shirt companies, some of which can do all sorts of other stuff, and plenty of other companies that can do logos/artwork to mugs and so forth. But very few of them will do the online store thing.
Perhaps we could arrange a Wikimedia "Loves Threadless" competition to generate some more T-shirt designs worth buying. There seems to be an extremely active community of artists who participate in these design competitions, especially for organizations that have large fan-bases. For example, the recent "Gmail Loves Threadless" competition generated over 400 designs, many of them quite good:
http://www.threadless.com/submissions/designs,gmail/showme,intherunning,comp...
I'm not sure how the sponsors for these competitions are selected and whether/how much the sponsors are paying for the privilege, but it might be worth looking into.
-Sage (User:Ragesoss)
On 8/27/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/26/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Brian Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
I've been wearing my Wikipedia golf shirt, purchased I believe at Cafe Press, for three years. It is as white as ever and has not suffered in quality.
The main problem with the CafePress process (and that used by most one-off printers) is that it's basically laser-printing to a shirt, i.e. toner particles melted into the fibres. This can work very well indeed, but is not going to be as good as silk-screen printing, which becomes cost-effective at a few tens of shirts or so.
For most of the fabrics, it's actually inkjet to a transfer "paper", which is then ironed on to the clothing item. Attempting to direct-print to fabric is problematic at this time.
My wife has had stuff on CafePress for many years and has been active talking with them about technology on and off. She also does her own stuff, for items where CafePress doesn't produce that type of item, using a decent home inkjet printer and commercial iron-on transfer material.
Of course, the other thing you're buying from CafePress is having someone do all the ordering, packing and posting backend - not just making sure you don't have a stock of maybe-saleable shirts.
Right. This is the big reason to use Cafe Press or its ilk; they don't just produce the items, they have the "Store", and you don't have to be in the "Store" business. Just send them the design, and collect whatever royalties the sales earn.
There are plenty of screen print T-shirt companies, some of which can do all sorts of other stuff, and plenty of other companies that can do logos/artwork to mugs and so forth. But very few of them will do the online store thing.
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This sounds like a pretty cool idea. :-)
On 8/28/07, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps we could arrange a Wikimedia "Loves Threadless" competition to generate some more T-shirt designs worth buying. There seems to be an extremely active community of artists who participate in these design competitions, especially for organizations that have large fan-bases. For example, the recent "Gmail Loves Threadless" competition generated over 400 designs, many of them quite good:
http://www.threadless.com/submissions/designs,gmail/showme,intherunning,comp...
I'm not sure how the sponsors for these competitions are selected and whether/how much the sponsors are paying for the privilege, but it might be worth looking into.
-Sage (User:Ragesoss)
On 8/27/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/26/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/08/07, Brian Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
I've been wearing my Wikipedia golf shirt, purchased I believe at
Cafe
Press, for three years. It is as white as ever and has not suffered
in
quality.
The main problem with the CafePress process (and that used by most one-off printers) is that it's basically laser-printing to a shirt, i.e. toner particles melted into the fibres. This can work very well indeed, but is not going to be as good as silk-screen printing, which becomes cost-effective at a few tens of shirts or so.
For most of the fabrics, it's actually inkjet to a transfer "paper", which is then ironed on to the clothing item. Attempting to direct-print to fabric is problematic at this time.
My wife has had stuff on CafePress for many years and has been active talking with them about technology on and off. She also does her own stuff, for items where CafePress doesn't produce that type of item, using a decent home inkjet printer and commercial iron-on transfer material.
Of course, the other thing you're buying from CafePress is having someone do all the ordering, packing and posting backend - not just making sure you don't have a stock of maybe-saleable shirts.
Right. This is the big reason to use Cafe Press or its ilk; they don't just produce the items, they have the "Store", and you don't have to be in the "Store" business. Just send them the design, and collect whatever royalties the sales earn.
There are plenty of screen print T-shirt companies, some of which can do all sorts of other stuff, and plenty of other companies that can do logos/artwork to mugs and so forth. But very few of them will do the online store thing.
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On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Sage Ross wrote:
Perhaps we could arrange a Wikimedia "Loves Threadless" competition to generate some more T-shirt designs worth buying.
/me arrives late to the party
This is a WONDERFUL idea, IMHO. Not only does Threadless have a dedicated and talented community of artists, but they'd also handle the "storefront" part.
The American Red Cross did a "loves Threadless" competition in April 2006 in honor of their 125th anniversary. Three winning designs were selected from hundreds of entries, and for each shirt sold with a winning design, Threadless donated $5. (I am not certain how much Threadless eventually donated.) http://www.threadless.com/loves/redcross
As far as I'm concerned, this avenue is worth exploring.
Jim Redmond [[m:User:Jredmond]]
James Redmond wrote:
On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Sage Ross wrote:
Perhaps we could arrange a Wikimedia "Loves Threadless" competition to generate some more T-shirt designs worth buying.
/me arrives late to the party
This is a WONDERFUL idea, IMHO. Not only does Threadless have a dedicated and talented community of artists, but they'd also handle the "storefront" part.
The American Red Cross did a "loves Threadless" competition in April 2006 in honor of their 125th anniversary. Three winning designs were selected from hundreds of entries, and for each shirt sold with a winning design, Threadless donated $5. (I am not certain how much Threadless eventually donated.) http://www.threadless.com/loves/redcross
As far as I'm concerned, this avenue is worth exploring.
I'm a bit wary of the "Wikimedia Loves Threadless" phrasing, which sounds a bit too much like we're endorsing a tshirt company, rather than just having them print shirts for us. Is there a way to do this without that wording? If we *were* willing to do something that vaguely implied endorsement, surely there are companies willing to pay more for the privilege? At $5/shirt, and even a very generous estimate of 10,000 shirts sold, that'd be $50,000, which isn't all that much when compared to other avenues for Wikimedia's income (the January fundraiser netted about $1,000,000).
-Mark
The "Wikipedia is Completely Neutral Towards Threadless competition" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, but sure, it could work.
As for the comparison with the fundraising... Unlike the fundraiser, a threadless competition/t-shirt wouldn't need to (and shouldn't) be advertised as a banner to every user. Also, it would help increase "brand loyalty" and "brand awareness" which the fundraiser doesn't do (at least not in the same way), so the tshirt thing has its own advantages. And the two are hardly exclusive. Increasing Wikimedia's revenue by 5% (Delirium's generous estimate) couldn't be a bad thing.
Personally I'd just like to have a Wikipedia tshirt that I'd be comfortable wearing around non-geeks.
Peter.
On 8/31/07, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
James Redmond wrote:
On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Sage Ross wrote:
Perhaps we could arrange a Wikimedia "Loves Threadless" competition to generate some more T-shirt designs worth buying.
/me arrives late to the party
This is a WONDERFUL idea, IMHO. Not only does Threadless have a dedicated and talented community of artists, but they'd also handle the "storefront" part.
The American Red Cross did a "loves Threadless" competition in April 2006 in honor of their 125th anniversary. Three winning designs were selected from hundreds of entries, and for each shirt sold with a winning design, Threadless donated $5. (I am not certain how much Threadless eventually donated.) http://www.threadless.com/loves/redcross
As far as I'm concerned, this avenue is worth exploring.
I'm a bit wary of the "Wikimedia Loves Threadless" phrasing, which sounds a bit too much like we're endorsing a tshirt company, rather than just having them print shirts for us. Is there a way to do this without that wording? If we *were* willing to do something that vaguely implied endorsement, surely there are companies willing to pay more for the privilege? At $5/shirt, and even a very generous estimate of 10,000 shirts sold, that'd be $50,000, which isn't all that much when compared to other avenues for Wikimedia's income (the January fundraiser netted about $1,000,000).
-Mark
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On 31/08/2007, Peter Halasz email@pengo.org wrote:
The "Wikipedia is Completely Neutral Towards Threadless competition" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, but sure, it could work.
"Wikipedia maintains its Neutral Point Of View towards Threadless Despite Thinking They're Very Nice People And Working Well Together Competition <ref>"
Dunno if they'd be open to variations on the catchphrase :-)
Personally I'd just like to have a Wikipedia tshirt that I'd be comfortable wearing around non-geeks.
Even a plain puzzle globe T-shirt marks you as some sort of nerd who thinks reading and writing encyclopedias is *fun*.
- d.
T-shirts are for publicity and good relations more than fundraising.
On 8/31/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/08/2007, Peter Halasz email@pengo.org wrote:
The "Wikipedia is Completely Neutral Towards Threadless competition" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, but sure, it could work.
"Wikipedia maintains its Neutral Point Of View towards Threadless Despite Thinking They're Very Nice People And Working Well Together Competition <ref>"
Dunno if they'd be open to variations on the catchphrase :-)
Personally I'd just like to have a Wikipedia tshirt that I'd be comfortable wearing around non-geeks.
Even a plain puzzle globe T-shirt marks you as some sort of nerd who thinks reading and writing encyclopedias is *fun*.
- d.
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Hoi, When you consider how marketing works, we can have a clothing line that shows off the intellectual qualities of the wearer.. it is something that would nicely offset the more foolish brands of clothing where it is the so manieth pop star film star of whatever person who went in to this line of business.
Really, we could make serious money if we take this serious. We could even have a reserved range of clothing for people with more then a certain amount of edits ... hmmm I may want a 10k WMF edits premium leather jacket ... :)
Thanks, GerardM
On 8/31/07, Ben Yates ben.louis.yates@gmail.com wrote:
T-shirts are for publicity and good relations more than fundraising.
On 8/31/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/08/2007, Peter Halasz email@pengo.org wrote:
The "Wikipedia is Completely Neutral Towards Threadless competition" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, but sure, it could work.
"Wikipedia maintains its Neutral Point Of View towards Threadless Despite Thinking They're Very Nice People And Working Well Together Competition <ref>"
Dunno if they'd be open to variations on the catchphrase :-)
Personally I'd just like to have a Wikipedia tshirt that I'd be comfortable wearing around non-geeks.
Even a plain puzzle globe T-shirt marks you as some sort of nerd who thinks reading and writing encyclopedias is *fun*.
- d.
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