On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Gianluigi Gamba wrote: I agree with Gianluigi. I think the idea of a community-l list is probably a good thing, but for the life of me I can't think of a good definition of what should be on that list, other than "community related things that don't directly refer to the foundation, so shouldn't be on foundation-l." and I am rather uncomfortable with the idea of a list so generally defined, for the sake of having a list. But if someone can come up with a good definition for it I'd be all for it. -dan

On 8/10/07, Mitchell <mduce(a)mts.net> wrote: Hey, Japanese wikipedia, what are your experiences with non-free media content? Do you allow it? Roughly what percentage of images would you say are non-free? There's a good example of a real question I would like to ask :) Judson [[:en:User:Cohesion]]

Hoi, The Wikipedia-l is an inter language list. It is not an inter project list. Thanks, GerardM On 8/10/07, Luna <lunasantin(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/08/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: This does seem to be splitting hairs a bit... Taking the definition of "project" as "Wikipedia, Wikibooks, etc", then no it isn't. Taking the (fairly commonly used) definition of "project" as a specific single wiki - Japanese Wikipedia, English Wikibooks - then yes, it is an interproject list, just one dealing with a restricted set of projects. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Brianna wrote: If you were going to ask those questions on a wiki, it would be meta.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the right mailing list for that is also the meta mailing list rather than community-l? There's a not-yet-official list for Meta at <http://mail.lists.wikipedia.be/mailman/listinfo/meta-l_lists.wikipedia.be>. It hasn't been widely promoted and only has 29 subscribers so far. There's a request for Wikimedia to host that list at <http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098>. Angela

On 8/11/07, Brianna Laugher &lt;brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi. I've been mulling over your suggestion, and not only do I find it a capital idea, but actually I would humbly suggest that the name *does* matter. If the name was community-l, it might attract the kind of "silent knowledge", tradition not policy, discussion. That is to say not "thou shalt not" type Mosaic law type process/policy wonking discussion, but (and I know people do feel "clue" can not be legislated) the kind of discussion that might impart through gentle instruction the best practises of the community as a whole and accross projects. It could also serve as a timebinding tool, enmeshing the varying generations of wikimedians together more fully in a more perfect union. I have long been thinking it would be a useful thing if the newer wikipedians had at the very least an understanding of the more seasoned veteran wikipedians mindset, and a better historical perspective. More and more clashes onwiki appear to stem from the disparity of culture between those who have been with us for long, and those who are doing the work enthusiastically with the exuberance of just discovering wikimedia. -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]

Hoi, There are too many "village pumps" there are fewer embassies. By sending to a mailing list you reach the people who have indicated to be interested in the subjects a mailing list stands for. I disagree that the mailing list are less public or transparent then the "village pumps", they reach a different public. When a specific thread is of sufficient interest, it can be referred to. The archives are open to all. I would even argue the opposite; when you post on more then two "village pumps" most people will not know what is said elsewhere and consequently it is impossible to reach a consensus. Thanks, GerardM On 8/11/07, Gianluigi Gamba &lt;gigamb(a)tin.it&gt; wrote:

Angela and Brianna, The Meta mailing list would be perfect. I think the description of the list should include the word community to help get the point accross that it is for broad community discussions. Thinking about this more since Brianna suggested it, I think re-focusing the Foundation mailing list toward Board related matter would be a good idea. Since the list has served a broader purpose up to now, I'm not completely sure will happen as old habits are hard to break. But I think it is worth a try. Sydney On 8/11/07, Angela &lt;beesley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

So what does it actually take to get a mailing list created? :) cheers Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

On 8/19/07, James Forrester &lt;jdforrester(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Damn! Why can't it be something more easy to get, like unicorn blood? ;-) Magnus

Casey Brown wrote: May be also auto subscribe all the people subscribed here? then the people who want out, they can unsubscribe..

Yes, the first list admin can either "invite" the users to subsribe, or automatically subscribe them. The "invite" capability would be the best option. :-) On 8/19/07, Michael Bimmler &lt;mbimmler(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 10:34:30PM +1000, Brianna Laugher wrote: I'm not sure, ask JamesF. :-) Whatever the case, please sign me up! [1][2][3] :-) read you soon, Kim Bruning [1] Or point me to the convenient 20 page web form where I must reveal all my personal information, pledge my firstborn, and agree to eat at a local night market. [2] If none of the above is possible yet I'll start bugging people to create said list. [3] Though worst case I can run it on some local box. -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72

On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 07:45:14PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote: Now to find a dev to fulfil it. (Or get bastique to do it?) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developers ^- this page seems to be slightly out of date? read you soon, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72

I talked with a couple more people about the conception of this mailing list, and here's a first draft for a list description: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community-l (the examples wouldn't be on the listinfo page:-). Unless there are any further objections, I'll ask one of the techies to go ahead and make it for us. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

The developers say that we don't seem to have enough consensus. On 8/24/07, Kim Bruning &lt;kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl&gt; wrote: -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

on 8/31/07 9:16 PM, Kim Bruning at kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Sounds good to me! Marc Riddell