Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish? Argue the idea, not
the person.
(And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where
that came from).
pb
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Erwin Mulialim
<erwin.mulialim(a)outlook.com>wrote;wrote:
Dear Jan-Bart,
Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this
world! Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or
charity that absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in
terms of value! Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and
is not intended for business, so it is proper you should not expect
yourself to be paid according to the salary standardization of benchmark
government regulatory policy. For jobs that have a social purpose of
humanity like this, we should not be so demanding, but we first have to
love the job ought to give all of the skills and talents that we have for
this foundation, believe that sooner or later will certainly all of the
goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through His wonderful ways.
May GOD Bless You Always!
Best Regards,
Claudius Erwin Mulialim
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Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng
(CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara,
Indonesia.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800
From: lcarr(a)wikimedia.org
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
>
>>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there
is
no FACT like the one that you mention.
>>
>> "fact that the
>>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
>>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college
or
>>> a mortgage from 2007?"
>>
>> because
>> a) there is no such policy....
>
> So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December
2012?
>
> "[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are
> similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit
> owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans
> equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and
> there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an
> entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and
> that's understood by folks who make it through the process."
> --
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html
>
>> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
>> almost comical....
>
> Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
>
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparageme…
Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced
later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about
their salaries.
Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my
right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill
itself, you know!
Leslie
> and
>
http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&o…
please,
so we can see exactly what it says?
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