I would like to tentatively suggest that a link between paying money and membership need not be a bad thing, before this idea is permanently dropped. I apologize in advance if I'm saying things that have already been said/rejected.
For me personally membership is about one thing and one thing only: giving donators something for their money. As it currently stands people are expected to cough up money with no guarantee as to what purpose their money will be put, and no guarantee of any future input to the project. Yes there are currently mechanisms by which any WP/WB/WC etc user has some input (board elections), but short of a legal guarantee that the bylaws will not be changed without a community referendum, this does not count for much. Certainly instituting such a guarantee is one option, but my hunch is that legally the "community" is on pretty shaky ground.
I know my contributions to Wikimedia projects are safe because of the license. If the board did suddenly turn evil my contributions would not have been wasted, as there's a high chance WP/WB/WC etc. would all fork into a Wikimedia (now evil) branch and Newikimedia (good) branch. At present though, as far as I can see there is no similar guarantee that my money will be put to good use. I am sure I am not the only person this has dissuaded from donating.
Wikimedia can currently be thought of as akin to a corporation in which shareholders have no right to vote in AGMs, but the board members do conduct opinion polls of their customers, some of which will no doubt also be shareholders. Not a particularly good way to run a company, I'd suggest.
Some of the arguments why editing should not automatically result in membership have already been made. Firstly the user base would be gigantic, which dilutes the utility of the legal fall back provided by Florida law. Secondly being an editor, even a competent one, does not go hand in hand with understanding Wikimedia and what is necessary for its continued existence and success. Thirdly, setting any kind of equivalence between edits and paid membership is economically equivalent to paying people to edit. (Say I have an account with an enough edits to be eligible for membership. I can sell my membership (or my votes, same thing), for 1c less than the going rate and be fairly sure of a buyer if there are any unscrupulous forces trying to buy votes.) As I'm sure you can imagine this is a bad idea in many ways, not least that it actually provides an economic incentive for useless edits in the far from impossible situation of individuals being prepared to pay for votes. (An intermediary stage of userdom between joining and being an admin has been proposed, which relied on community support for your edits, and yes if membership was linked to this stage this problem would be ameliorated. However the concept of having "community support for your edits" is surely on even shakier legal ground than the community. The potentials for abuse of such a guideline and resulting big law suits are not really sound legal grounds for an organization.)
OK so you are now thinking, but what about the community? We surely do not want Wikimedia to be controlled by those with money rather than those who work on it. But this need not be the case even with a paying membership.
There are several ways of giving both the community and the membership power. For example a community election of the current form could first be held, with the total number of votes for each candidate being recorded. Each member would then be asked to veto as many candidates as they deemed inappropriate. Any candidate having received veto votes from over 50% of the members who voted would be removed from the running. Of the remaining candidates, the one(s) with the highest number of community votes would be deemed to have been elected.
The community gets the principal say; the members get to remove inappropriate candidates. Based on the discussions in this thread I think I am not the only one who would view this as the "best of both worlds".
What is more, because of the membership the community have a guarantee that their right to vote etc. will be protected by the board, as the membership will largely be from the community (though I do not pretend it will be a statistically random sample necessarily), and as members of the community always have the option of becoming members if their rights are in danger.
As a final note many of mentioned the unfairness of membership dues on the unemployed/those in third world countries etc. This is certainly a solvable problem. (Indeed it is one that almost every multinational charity has solved.) It is common practice to have an "unwaged" rate, and to adjust membership fees in line with PPP adjusted GDP per head. The data's ready and waiting on en.wikipedia...
Anyway just my two cents, sorry for contributing to what is already an overcrowded discussion.
Tom (User:Cfp everywhere)
--- Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com wrote:
Some of the arguments why editing should not automatically result in membership have already been made.
Anyone who believes that this is a debatable point has missed the fact that Forida law requires a "member roll" with legal names and addresses. If there is to be membership it *must* be opt-in. Automatically granting membership would not be able to meet these informational requirements.
Birgitte SB
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Tom Holden wrote:
Anyway just my two cents, sorry for contributing to what is already an overcrowded discussion.
I beg to differ on that point. Anthere has wanted people to be discussing this for some time now, and it is only in the last few days that people have started jumping in. The discussion is not overcrowded. How the issues are resolved will have a profound effect on the direction of WMF and all its projects for many years to come. Each of us with an interest in this should get involved.
Ec
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