Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding of our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the rebuilding – is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also for any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-June/090413.html [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_France_-_Governance_Assess...
Hi Nadine,
Thank you for sharing the report with us. I just gave a quick look at it, and I printed it so I could read it on the flight to Cape Town. But I agree with you that it's an important review and the recommendations are important and may be useful for all of us!
Itzik
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding of our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the rebuilding – is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also for any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018- June/090413.html [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_France_-_ Governance_Assessment_Report_-_2018.pdf _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Thank you very much, Nadine!
As it is, as far as I remember, the third governance review of a Wikimedia affiliate, I just created a page on Meta where they can be collected. Feel free to add/modify: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Governance_Review
Cheers Cornelius
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 08:59, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hi Nadine,
Thank you for sharing the report with us. I just gave a quick look at it, and I printed it so I could read it on the flight to Cape Town. But I agree with you that it's an important review and the recommendations are important and may be useful for all of us!
Itzik
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding
of
our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the
rebuilding
– is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also
for
any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018- June/090413.html [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_France_-_ Governance_Assessment_Report_-_2018.pdf _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hi Nadine,
Thanks for sharing the document with us. I read it and I found interesting to see the different clashes:
- there is no awareness of the individual interpretations of our mission
- the community wants anarchism in order to feel free, however the organization needs some kind of structure and specialization to be effective
- lobbing, advocacy, and governance are necessary for the community, but since they are "invisible" activities, they are not valued by the community
- there is a big wish for openness in the community, however governance requires some privacy as well
- employees can have too much influence in any organization if they participate, but it is unfair to exclude them
- the WMF exercises power over the movement organizations, but the organizations cannot exercise power over the WMF, creating a power unbalance and mistrust
Besides of the recommendations on the document, it feels that there is the need for more dialogue with involved parties to create a mutual understanding. In the end it is a matter of trust, we can only trust something if we know it, and if we understand the benefits that it creates for us. I hope these topics are discussed in the Movement Strategy.
Regards, Micru
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding of our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the rebuilding – is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also for any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-June/090413.html [2]
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Congratulations to Wikimedia France for undertaking this review and publishing the results.
I believe all of the 3 governance reviews are important reading for anyone involved with the WMF or any of the affiliates, and all have important lessons for the movement. It's interesting to note that this is the first one that touches on the WMF-affiliate relationship in much detail.
Also - while so far governance reviews have only happened as a result of a crisis, this doesn't have to be the case! I would urge Wikimedia affiliates to take external advice on their governance, the suggestions offered by governance experts who know the laws, norms and cutlure in which you operate will be very helpful for you.
Chris (who was Chair of Wikimedia UK at the point we had a governance review...) On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding of our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the rebuilding – is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also for any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
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Forgive my (usual ?) bluntness, but I don't think congratulations are in order for undertaking the governance review ;-)
As a member and unwilling observer, I can tell you it was dearly needed, be it by internal or external auditors, and mandated by the WMF.
However, as a long time member of the community and of Wikimedia France, I do salute the effort of publishing the results of the review, as the previous board of directors probably wouldn't have wanted to publish anything critical of their method of governance ; and the review covers both old and more recent times. That indeed deserves credit, so thank you Nadine !
@ Cornelius : smart thinking on your part, collecting them in one place. I hope there won't be any more crisis requiring a governance review in one of our chapters, but in any case it will be interesting for all chapters to know what to avoid in the future, and where to look for it, so thank you as well.
Roger / Alphos
Le 9 juil. 2018 à 13:44, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com a écrit :
Congratulations to Wikimedia France for undertaking this review and publishing the results.
I believe all of the 3 governance reviews are important reading for anyone involved with the WMF or any of the affiliates, and all have important lessons for the movement. It's interesting to note that this is the first one that touches on the WMF-affiliate relationship in much detail.
Also - while so far governance reviews have only happened as a result of a crisis, this doesn't have to be the case! I would urge Wikimedia affiliates to take external advice on their governance, the suggestions offered by governance experts who know the laws, norms and cutlure in which you operate will be very helpful for you.
Chris (who was Chair of Wikimedia UK at the point we had a governance review...)
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding of our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the rebuilding – is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also for any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
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This report is pretty useful in terms of comparing my chapter's policies to this. Probably some fine tuning will follow. Thank you for sharing!
Note the pattern: UK, Germany, France, all 'big' chapters. My guess is that the next one will very likely to be another 'large' chapter (100+ members, multiple employees, many paralel projects etc)
As the report says very few has at least some experience in running organizations (true worldwide) so no suprise such events happen every few years, not to say those that stay 'local'.
Just having 50-100-150k edits is not enough to be a 'boss'
Would love to see people management skills workshops, and organizational skills (logistics) workshops...but I attend an event only every 2-3 years (or less), so this is just an almost silent suggestion :)
Balazs
2018. júl. 10. 7:44 ezt írta ("Alphos OGame" alphos.ogame@gmail.com):
Forgive my (usual ?) bluntness, but I don't think congratulations are in order for undertaking the governance review ;-)
As a member and unwilling observer, I can tell you it was dearly needed, be it by internal or external auditors, and mandated by the WMF.
However, as a long time member of the community and of Wikimedia France, I do salute the effort of publishing the results of the review, as the previous board of directors probably wouldn't have wanted to publish anything critical of their method of governance ; and the review covers both old and more recent times. That indeed deserves credit, so thank you Nadine !
@ Cornelius : smart thinking on your part, collecting them in one place. I hope there won't be any more crisis requiring a governance review in one of our chapters, but in any case it will be interesting for all chapters to know what to avoid in the future, and where to look for it, so thank you as well.
Roger / Alphos
Le 9 juil. 2018 à 13:44, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com a
écrit :
Congratulations to Wikimedia France for undertaking this review and publishing the results.
I believe all of the 3 governance reviews are important reading for anyone involved with the WMF or any of the affiliates, and all have important lessons for the movement. It's interesting to note that this is the first one that touches on the WMF-affiliate relationship in much detail.
Also - while so far governance reviews have only happened as a result of a crisis, this doesn't have to be the case! I would urge Wikimedia affiliates to take external advice on their governance, the suggestions offered by governance experts who know the laws, norms and cutlure in which you operate will be very helpful for you.
Chris (who was Chair of Wikimedia UK at the point we had a governance review...)
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr
wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding
of
our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the
rebuilding
– is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also
for
any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
June/090413.html
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_France_-_
Governance_Assessment_Report_-_2018.pdf
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:36 AM Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu wrote:
Would love to see people management skills workshops, and organizational skills (logistics) workshops...but I attend an event only every 2-3 years (or less), so this is just an almost silent suggestion :)
Wikimedia conference in recent years have indeed been putting more and more of an emphasis on people skills and governance skills. Learning Days[1] and the pre-conference Board Training[2] at this year's WMCON are one example, but regional and national conference have been seeing more interest in these skills too.
Cheers,
A.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_and_Evaluation/News/Learning_Days_f... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Pre-Conference_Boa...
Nominally, the WMF is going to be the next Wikimedia organisation to do a governance review, as per: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_rou... https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2017-11-17,18,19#Governance_Rev...
Thanks, Mike
On 11 Jul 2018, at 02:36, Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu wrote:
This report is pretty useful in terms of comparing my chapter's policies to this. Probably some fine tuning will follow. Thank you for sharing!
Note the pattern: UK, Germany, France, all 'big' chapters. My guess is that the next one will very likely to be another 'large' chapter (100+ members, multiple employees, many paralel projects etc)
As the report says very few has at least some experience in running organizations (true worldwide) so no suprise such events happen every few years, not to say those that stay 'local'.
Just having 50-100-150k edits is not enough to be a 'boss'
Would love to see people management skills workshops, and organizational skills (logistics) workshops...but I attend an event only every 2-3 years (or less), so this is just an almost silent suggestion :)
Balazs
- júl. 10. 7:44 ezt írta ("Alphos OGame" alphos.ogame@gmail.com):
Forgive my (usual ?) bluntness, but I don't think congratulations are in order for undertaking the governance review ;-)
As a member and unwilling observer, I can tell you it was dearly needed, be it by internal or external auditors, and mandated by the WMF.
However, as a long time member of the community and of Wikimedia France, I do salute the effort of publishing the results of the review, as the previous board of directors probably wouldn't have wanted to publish anything critical of their method of governance ; and the review covers both old and more recent times. That indeed deserves credit, so thank you Nadine !
@ Cornelius : smart thinking on your part, collecting them in one place. I hope there won't be any more crisis requiring a governance review in one of our chapters, but in any case it will be interesting for all chapters to know what to avoid in the future, and where to look for it, so thank you as well.
Roger / Alphos
Le 9 juil. 2018 à 13:44, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com a
écrit :
Congratulations to Wikimedia France for undertaking this review and publishing the results.
I believe all of the 3 governance reviews are important reading for anyone involved with the WMF or any of the affiliates, and all have important lessons for the movement. It's interesting to note that this is the first one that touches on the WMF-affiliate relationship in much detail.
Also - while so far governance reviews have only happened as a result of a crisis, this doesn't have to be the case! I would urge Wikimedia affiliates to take external advice on their governance, the suggestions offered by governance experts who know the laws, norms and cutlure in which you operate will be very helpful for you.
Chris (who was Chair of Wikimedia UK at the point we had a governance review...)
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr
wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment Report by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and we want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding
of
our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement suggestions they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the
rebuilding
– is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at next General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also
for
any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance advice or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
June/090413.html
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Governance_Assessment_Report_-_2018.pdf
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Thank you Asaf. This seems to be a mixture of ppl mgmt and org skills, shifted heavily towards the latter. The last time I was at wmcon was 2014 [1] when this was bearly a topic at all, only touched it here and there a bit, when it was inevitable.
Good to see the progress on this.
Hi Mike,
perhaps in the future one could undergo such a review before a crisis happens. Like a medical checkup, not yearly thoufh, but say every 3-5 years to prevent/treat in early stage such events.
So far all governance reviews (including this) were responses to a collapse.
[1] https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014
Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net ezt írta (2018. július 12., csütörtök):
Nominally, the WMF is going to be the next Wikimedia organisation to do a governance review, as per: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_ round_2#Wikimedia_Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2017-11-17, 18,19#Governance_Review
Thanks, Mike
On 11 Jul 2018, at 02:36, Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu
wrote:
This report is pretty useful in terms of comparing my chapter's policies
to
this. Probably some fine tuning will follow. Thank you for sharing!
Note the pattern: UK, Germany, France, all 'big' chapters. My guess is
that
the next one will very likely to be another 'large' chapter (100+
members,
multiple employees, many paralel projects etc)
As the report says very few has at least some experience in running organizations (true worldwide) so no suprise such events happen every few years, not to say those that stay 'local'.
Just having 50-100-150k edits is not enough to be a 'boss'
Would love to see people management skills workshops, and organizational skills (logistics) workshops...but I attend an event only every 2-3 years (or less), so this is just an almost silent suggestion :)
Balazs
- júl. 10. 7:44 ezt írta ("Alphos OGame" alphos.ogame@gmail.com):
Forgive my (usual ?) bluntness, but I don't think congratulations are in order for undertaking the governance review ;-)
As a member and unwilling observer, I can tell you it was dearly needed,
be
it by internal or external auditors, and mandated by the WMF.
However, as a long time member of the community and of Wikimedia France,
I
do salute the effort of publishing the results of the review, as the previous board of directors probably wouldn't have wanted to publish anything critical of their method of governance ; and the review covers both old and more recent times. That indeed deserves credit, so thank you Nadine !
@ Cornelius : smart thinking on your part, collecting them in one place.
I
hope there won't be any more crisis requiring a governance review in one
of
our chapters, but in any case it will be interesting for all chapters to know what to avoid in the future, and where to look for it, so thank you
as
well.
Roger / Alphos
Le 9 juil. 2018 à 13:44, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com a
écrit :
Congratulations to Wikimedia France for undertaking this review and publishing the results.
I believe all of the 3 governance reviews are important reading for anyone involved with the WMF or any of the affiliates, and all have important lessons for the movement. It's interesting to note that this is the first one that touches on the WMF-affiliate relationship in much detail.
Also - while so far governance reviews have only happened as a result of a crisis, this doesn't have to be the case! I would urge Wikimedia affiliates to take external advice on their governance, the suggestions offered by governance experts who know the laws, norms and cutlure in which you operate will be very helpful for you.
Chris (who was Chair of Wikimedia UK at the point we had a governance
review...)
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin <
nlelirzin@wikimedia.fr>
wrote:
Hi all,
As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment
Report
by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and
we
want to share it with you.
The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding
of
our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement
suggestions
they delivered.
The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the
rebuilding
– is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at
next
General Assembly, by the end of the year.
The document has been translated in English and is now available on Commons[2].
May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also
for
any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance
advice
or ideas.
Best regards,
Nadine Le Lirzin *Wikimedia France Board Secretary*
June/090413.html
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_France_-_
Governance_Assessment_Report_-_2018.pdf
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