Last month, the alternative project Justapedia was launched which is accessible through the URL https://justapedia.org. It is a complete English Wikipedia fork made sometime last year.
Unfortunately the front page showcase doesn't give it good optics because it gave the impression of trying to "whitewash" fascism. They'll have a better public opinion if they tried to fix the Holocaust distortions as revealed by Jan Grabowski and Shira Klein, and put that into the showcase.
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator that Wikipedia/Wikimedia have unreported harassment and pedophilia scandals.
Where are these rumours? More info on Justapedia and its founder, history, etc. https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation#About Created by an en.wiki editor Doug Weller
English Wikipedia administrator/CheckUser/Oversight Member of the Arbitration Committee 2015-2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller
On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 2:31 PM Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Last month, the alternative project Justapedia was launched which is accessible through the URL https://justapedia.org. It is a complete English Wikipedia fork made sometime last year.
Unfortunately the front page showcase doesn't give it good optics because it gave the impression of trying to "whitewash" fascism. They'll have a better public opinion if they tried to fix the Holocaust distortions as revealed by Jan Grabowski and Shira Klein, and put that into the showcase.
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator that Wikipedia/Wikimedia have unreported harassment and pedophilia scandals. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.com> ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder
*From:* Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga galder158@hotmail.com ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Is this small text (linking the original article) "This page may contain content developed from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyssomatus%20lineaticollis or Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/." in the footer, enough to comply with the CC BY-SA requirements? shouldn't the link be in the article itself somewhere?
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 13:01 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com ha scritto:
what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158@hotmail.com> ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation
= Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Good question. This is pretty incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7VeHKPGIk%60 - Justapedia: Preserving and Protecting True History "our mission is to maintain and preserve history" Doug Weller English Wikipedia administrator/CheckUser/Oversight Member of the Arbitration Committee 2015-2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 3:01 PM Civvì civvi.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is this small text (linking the original article) "This page may contain content developed from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyssomatus%20lineaticollis or Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/." in the footer, enough to comply with the CC BY-SA requirements? shouldn't the link be in the article itself somewhere?
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 13:01 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com ha scritto:
what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158@hotmail.com> ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information +
Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into
oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett <
andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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How amazing it would be , if discussions like these were hosted somewhere else other than this mailing list 😤
derrick
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 13:01 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158@hotmail.com> ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation
= Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Well, nothing is stopping you from discussing it anywhere else you like.
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 6:39 AM Ndahiro Derrick Alter ndahiroderric@gmail.com wrote:
How amazing it would be , if discussions like these were hosted somewhere else other than this mailing list 😤
derrick
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 13:01 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158@hotmail.com> ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information +
Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into
oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett <
andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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thinking that perhaps CC-by-sa needs to reinstate moral rights(removed with 3.0) to stop misuse of content by such sites.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 20:40, Ndahiro Derrick Alter < ndahiroderric@gmail.com> wrote:
How amazing it would be , if discussions like these were hosted somewhere else other than this mailing list 😤
derrick
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 13:01 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158@hotmail.com> ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information +
Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into
oblivion.
Galder ________________________________ From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett <
andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Maybe it is not intended to be a Venn diagram, but just looks like one.
Cheers, Peter
From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2023 09:51 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga galder158@hotmail.com ha scritto:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder
_____
From: Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Can anyone find any members of the boards besides Atsme? Doug Weller English Wikipedia administrator/CheckUser/Oversight Member of the Arbitration Committee 2015-2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 7:15 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that.
Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
Galder
*From:* Lauren Worden laurenworden89@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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Complaints about politics are business as usual. When we stop getting complaints about politics is the time to worry, because we will have become irrelevant. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Lauren Worden [mailto:laurenworden89@gmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2023 00:43 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
-LW
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Justapedia
It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests.
But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
Oh, please. Do better than that.
[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
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