Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership over Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
For example I was denied the right to create the redirect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Davenbellewh... was promptly deleted by an admin who I believe is an arbitrator.
Arbcom will not allow the restructure of RfAr page which has become very large or so I am told http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#For_the... do not know what that assessment is based on but I suspect it may be yet another "private" discussion of arbcom. Us lowlifes hardly hear from arbcom anymore. It takes forever to load the RFAR page on GPRS connections.
Arbcom was founded by Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales to help resolve disputes. Arbcom is beginning to be the source of a dispute over the most trivial disagreements.
- White Cat
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership over Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
For example I was denied the right to create the redirect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Davenbellewh... was promptly deleted by an admin who I believe is an arbitrator.
Arbcom will not allow the restructure of RfAr page which has become very large or so I am told http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#For_the... do not know what that assessment is based on but I suspect it may be yet another "private" discussion of arbcom. Us lowlifes hardly hear from arbcom anymore. It takes forever to load the RFAR page on GPRS connections.
Arbcom was founded by Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales to help resolve disputes. Arbcom is beginning to be the source of a dispute over the most trivial disagreements.
- White Cat
Hello,
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 2:11 AM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
Well, no. And you've given the reason yourself.
This seems irrelevant to this list.
~Nathan
2008/5/18 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership over Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
Fair enough they are free to do that if they so chose.
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:25 +0100, geni wrote:
2008/5/18 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership over Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
Fair enough they are free to do that if they so chose.
(Ignoring whether this should be at foundation-l or wikien-l)
Erm, why?
KTC
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Kwan Ting Chan ktc@ktchan.info wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:25 +0100, geni wrote:
2008/5/18 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the
place to
discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership
over
Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
Fair enough they are free to do that if they so chose.
(Ignoring whether this should be at foundation-l or wikien-l)
Erm, why?
KTC
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What are you trying to do here? You come in, shout about something irrelevant, and send the message again but then with cc to jimmy and florence (why?), and then repost another message. This seems like a useless thread on this list <glare at michael and/or austin>
-- Lodewijk
2008/5/29, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Kwan Ting Chan ktc@ktchan.info wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:25 +0100, geni wrote:
2008/5/18 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the
place to
discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership
over
Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
Fair enough they are free to do that if they so chose.
(Ignoring whether this should be at foundation-l or wikien-l)
Erm, why?
KTC
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:05 PM, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
What are you trying to do here? You come in, shout about something irrelevant, and send the message again but then with cc to jimmy and florence (why?), and then repost another message. This seems like a useless thread on this list <glare at michael and/or austin>
Indeed and I'm already feeling guilty for having approved this one message. White Cat, please stop the forum shopping, it has been made clear now that foundation-l is not the appropriate venue to discuss this, you have wikien-l for this.
Michael
Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing to me (for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
-- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:05 PM, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
What are you trying to do here? You come in, shout about something irrelevant, and send the message again but then with cc to jimmy and florence (why?), and then repost another message. This seems like a useless thread on this list <glare at michael and/or austin>
Indeed and I'm already feeling guilty for having approved this one message. White Cat, please stop the forum shopping, it has been made clear now that foundation-l is not the appropriate venue to discuss this, you have wikien-l for this.
Michael
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Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing to me (for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
- -- Ben "Cyde Weys" McIlwain ( http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/ )
I do not believe I am trying to play the victim. Consider each and every post discussing me above. I am not pleased with the unique treatment I get. I shouldn't be barred of complaining about it like that.
- White Cat
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Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing to
me
(for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
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Ben McIlwain wrote:
White Cat wrote:
Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing to me (for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
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This thread needs to end. Does the software permit per thread moderation?
Best,
Jon
Politely asking people to stop rather than ordering them around can do wonders. You are right though. With this much bad faith a productive result is not a possibility.
- White Cat
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Ben McIlwain wrote:
White Cat wrote:
Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing to
me
(for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
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This thread needs to end. Does the software permit per thread moderation?
Best,
Jon
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
Politely asking people to stop rather than ordering them around can do wonders. You are right though. With this much bad faith a productive result is not a possibility.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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Ben McIlwain wrote:
White Cat wrote:
Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing to
me
(for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
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This thread needs to end. Does the software permit per thread moderation?
Best,
Jon
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Could you *please* stop forum-shopping then? This isn't the first time you're told something and you come to Foundation-l looking for a different answer.
-Chad
I don't forum shop. 100% of the time you replied to something I post you accused me of things.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
Politely asking people to stop rather than ordering them around can do wonders. You are right though. With this much bad faith a productive
result
is not a possibility.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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Ben McIlwain wrote:
White Cat wrote:
Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing
to
me
(for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
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Best,
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Could you *please* stop forum-shopping then? This isn't the first time you're told something and you come to Foundation-l looking for a different answer.
-Chad
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:37 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
I don't forum shop. 100% of the time you replied to something I post you accused me of things.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
Politely asking people to stop rather than ordering them around can do wonders. You are right though. With this much bad faith a productive
result
is not a possibility.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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Ben McIlwain wrote:
White Cat wrote:
Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing
to
me
(for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim ... well, that's what they become.
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This thread needs to end. Does the software permit per thread
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Best,
Jon
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Could you *please* stop forum-shopping then? This isn't the first time you're told something and you come to Foundation-l looking for a different answer.
-Chad
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote: - Show quoted text -
Like I implied on my earlier post. Regulating it would be much easier and time consuming from a central location: Meta.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, mike.lifeguard mike.lifeguard@gmail.com wrote:
Wikibooks has the same problem - interwiki linking is rather more complicated for the non-Wikipedia project. I think it would be acceptable to give a global bot flag BUT bots are only to work where approved (ie not on Wikibooks unless you ask first; not on Wikisource if you ask first). This allows stewards to not waste time flagging a bot on all Wikipedias (use the global flag) but the bot should then only work on Wikipedias (unless it is allowed to work on the other families). However, thoughts on this may differ. I know many don't agree that people/bots are able to /not/ use rights they have, but that's just not true. Just because a bot is globally flagged as such doesn't mean it must work on all wikis - it is quite easy to restrict it to only one family.
Mike.lifeguard
-----Original Message----- From: Birgitte SB [mailto:birgitte_sb@yahoo.com] Sent: May 29, 2008 3:23 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis
--- On Wed, 5/28/08, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
From: Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <
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Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:51 PM On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
We do have a bot policy:
[[:meta:Bot policy]]
It is implemented in all small wikipedias I am active.
Bot owners (in
theory) leave a request at a special bot page, if
there are no objections
within a reasonable time (a week or so), the steward
grants the bot
status. Once I had to report on meta and actually ask
stewards to grant
the bot flag for some of the old requests on os.wp.
You may be sure the small wikis suffer much more when
a bot can not get
the status since the list of recent changes becomes
unusable - this is for
instance what is right now happening with the newly
created wikis.
This is one of the most problematic issues: Asking for bot flag on ~250 projects is really painful. There should be one place for asking the bot flag for interwiki bots.
Please no global flag for interwiki bots. An all Wikipedia flag would be fine but not a global one. Interwiki's to not work in a strait forward fashion on Wikisource and bots using the code that works on Wikipedias create a big mess on Wikisource. Interwikis bots will probably only be able to be work properly off of a "white-list" on Wikisources. These white-list have not yet been made so for right now interwikis need to be done by hand. Please do not authorize any bots to do this task on Wikisources.
Birgitte SB
Birgitte SB
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It's been pointed out that this was already discussed elsewhere. I no longer subscribe to Wikien-l, so I cannot personally say what the resolution to such discussion was.
"Sorry, this was held in moderation and is now out of context," would've been an appropriate first response. The fact that you're continuing to debate it when others pointed out it's been debated elsewhere comes across as trying to get a different answer from before.
-Chad
PS: Please disregard my posting this to a different thread, that was entirely unintentional.
Can a thinking moderator kill this thread please?
Nathan
Can we please stop discussing then? I will not post anything if noone else does. I wont hesitate to reply otherwise. We call this an agreement or a compromise.
- White Cat
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Can a thinking moderator kill this thread please?
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Can a thinking moderator kill this thread please?
Killfiled threads have the habit of reappearing under a new name. Moderating White Cat was the easier solution and also seems more appropriate to me. That's why I just did it.
Oh, and BTW (and this is not personally against anyone): If the moderators are offline, it doesn't help if 10 people repeat a variation of "Can someone end this please?", sadly, I don't get a text message when n+1 people call for moderation of someone. As soon as one of the mods is online, I'm sure we'll see it even if only one person pointed it out ;-)
Michael
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Can a thinking moderator kill this thread please?
Killfiled threads have the habit of reappearing under a new name. Moderating White Cat was the easier solution and also seems more appropriate to me. That's why I just did it.
Oh, and BTW (and this is not personally against anyone): If the moderators are offline, it doesn't help if 10 people repeat a variation of "Can someone end this please?", sadly, I don't get a text message when n+1 people call for moderation of someone. As soon as one of the mods is online, I'm sure we'll see it even if only one person pointed it out ;-)
Michael
Michael brings up a good point. Perhaps the list requires more moderators, maybe three more in differing areas?
An idea.
Best, Jon
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An idea.
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Hmm how many mods are there? I could have sworn there were only two, Michael and Austin. I think more should be added for such a high traffic list, if that's the case.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Hmm how many mods are there? I could have sworn there were only two, Michael and Austin. I think more should be added for such a high traffic list, if that's the case.
--
Brion and Anthere are sometimes doing moderation stuff as well, which brings the count up to 4. But I wouldn't oppose additional mods, if anyone would candidate.
Michael
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Hmm how many mods are there? I could have sworn there were only two, Michael and Austin. I think more should be added for such a high traffic list, if that's the case.
--
Brion and Anthere are sometimes doing moderation stuff as well, which brings the count up to 4. But I wouldn't oppose additional mods, if anyone would candidate.
Michael
I'm available personally. However, I would not mind seeing others helping out, perhaps Majorly, Avi, or Dalton (Among many capable others!).
Best, Jon
2008/5/30 Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com:
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Hmm how many mods are there? I could have sworn there were only two,
Michael
and Austin. I think more should be added for such a high traffic list, if that's the case.
--
Brion and Anthere are sometimes doing moderation stuff as well, which brings the count up to 4. But I wouldn't oppose additional mods, if anyone would candidate.
Michael
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Well I wouldn't mind helping, unless anyone better steps up :)
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Well I wouldn't mind helping, unless anyone better steps up :)
Thanks Jon and Majorly for speaking up and nominating further people. I invite all others who want to help to briefly email us at foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org I'll be making a list of "candidates" and look at this with Austin etc.
Regards, Michael
Andrew Grey the 4th person replying to my overly delayed original post has already stated that. It was pointless for me to say so.
I have been defending myself from the attacks directed at me. I might have ignored it but I am not required to do so.
I will not be manupilated like that. :)
As for your PS, thats too late of a warning naw :)
- White Cat
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:37 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
I don't forum shop. 100% of the time you replied to something I post you accused me of things.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
Politely asking people to stop rather than ordering them around can do wonders. You are right though. With this much bad faith a productive
result
is not a possibility.
- White Cat
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Ben McIlwain wrote:
White Cat wrote: > Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be
apologizing
to
me
> (for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to
your
point of view. When people start acting like they're the victim
...
well, that's what they become.
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Could you *please* stop forum-shopping then? This isn't the first time you're told something and you come to Foundation-l looking for a
different
answer.
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
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Like I implied on my earlier post. Regulating it would be much easier and time consuming from a central location: Meta.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, mike.lifeguard <
mike.lifeguard@gmail.com>
wrote:
Wikibooks has the same problem - interwiki linking is rather more complicated for the non-Wikipedia project. I think it would be
acceptable
to give a global bot flag BUT bots are only to work where approved (ie not
on
Wikibooks unless you ask first; not on Wikisource if you ask first).
This
allows stewards to not waste time flagging a bot on all Wikipedias (use
the
global flag) but the bot should then only work on Wikipedias (unless it
is
allowed to work on the other families). However, thoughts on this may differ. I know many don't agree that people/bots are able to /not/ use rights they have, but that's just not true. Just because a bot is globally flagged as such doesn't mean it
must
work on all wikis - it is quite easy to restrict it to only one family.
Mike.lifeguard
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Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:51 PM On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
We do have a bot policy:
[[:meta:Bot policy]]
It is implemented in all small wikipedias I am active.
Bot owners (in
theory) leave a request at a special bot page, if
there are no objections
within a reasonable time (a week or so), the steward
grants the bot
status. Once I had to report on meta and actually ask
stewards to grant
the bot flag for some of the old requests on os.wp.
You may be sure the small wikis suffer much more when
a bot can not get
the status since the list of recent changes becomes
unusable - this is for
instance what is right now happening with the newly
created wikis.
This is one of the most problematic issues: Asking for bot flag on ~250 projects is really painful. There should be one place for asking the bot flag for interwiki bots.
Please no global flag for interwiki bots. An all Wikipedia flag would
be
fine but not a global one. Interwiki's to not work in a strait forward fashion on Wikisource and bots using the code that works on Wikipedias create a big mess on Wikisource. Interwikis bots will probably only be able to be work properly off of a "white-list" on Wikisources. These
white-list
have not yet been made so for right now interwikis need to be done by
hand.
Please do not authorize any bots to do this task on Wikisources.
Birgitte SB
Birgitte SB
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It's been pointed out that this was already discussed elsewhere. I no longer subscribe to Wikien-l, so I cannot personally say what the resolution to such discussion was.
"Sorry, this was held in moderation and is now out of context," would've been an appropriate first response. The fact that you're continuing to debate it when others pointed out it's been debated elsewhere comes across as trying to get a different answer from before.
-Chad
PS: Please disregard my posting this to a different thread, that was entirely unintentional.
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Indeed and I'm already feeling guilty for having approved this one message.
Agreed. While I'm sure no-one blames you for the delay, it's generally best to just discard messages if it's taken that long - possibly with a note to the sender asking them to resend if they still think it relevant.
Michael Bimmler wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:05 PM, effe iets anders wrote:
What are you trying to do here? You come in, shout about something irrelevant, and send the message again but then with cc to jimmy and florence (why?), and then repost another message. This seems like a useless thread on this list
Indeed and I'm already feeling guilty for having approved this one message. White Cat, please stop the forum shopping, it has been made clear now that foundation-l is not the appropriate venue to discuss this, you have wikien-l for this.
Feeling guilty about this is not a part of the job description. ;-)
Ec
This is a two week delayed thread. I would agree that it is quite useless now given the nature of the involved parties so far.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:05 PM, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
What are you trying to do here? You come in, shout about something irrelevant, and send the message again but then with cc to jimmy and florence (why?), and then repost another message. This seems like a useless thread on this list <glare at michael and/or austin>
-- Lodewijk
2008/5/29, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Kwan Ting Chan ktc@ktchan.info wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:25 +0100, geni wrote:
2008/5/18 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is
the
place to
discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared
ownership
over
Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow
community or
members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
Fair enough they are free to do that if they so chose.
(Ignoring whether this should be at foundation-l or wikien-l)
Erm, why?
KTC
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2008/5/18 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
...no, wikien-l is the place to discuss it. Handily, it *was* the place it got discussed, at some length, a week or two ago.
[For those confused, this seems to have been held for approval for a couple of weeks. The same complaint sent to wikien-l at the same time generated some discussion, which can be found in the archives there. Rehashing it here would seem a bit futile.]
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
[For those confused, this seems to have been held for approval for a couple of weeks.
*cough* Yeah. Queue was somewhat growing due to my exam-and-rehearsals-related absence. I approved a bunch of messages now, which explains this...
Michael
Do you ever stop forum-shopping, White Cat?
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:11:28 +0300 From: wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Anthere9@yahoo.com Subject: [Foundation-l] En.wikipedia's arbcom
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place to discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership over Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
For example I was denied the right to create the redirect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Davenbellewh... was promptly deleted by an admin who I believe is an arbitrator.
Arbcom will not allow the restructure of RfAr page which has become very large or so I am told http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#For_the... do not know what that assessment is based on but I suspect it may be yet another "private" discussion of arbcom. Us lowlifes hardly hear from arbcom anymore. It takes forever to load the RFAR page on GPRS connections.
Arbcom was founded by Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales to help resolve disputes. Arbcom is beginning to be the source of a dispute over the most trivial disagreements.
- White Cat
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I do not forum shop. However you Moreschi restlessly pursue me all the time. You'd rather unblock an indef block user and block me in his place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive...
-- White Cat
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Christiano Moreschi < moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Do you ever stop forum-shopping, White Cat?
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:11:28 +0300 From: wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Anthere9@yahoo.com Subject: [Foundation-l] En.wikipedia's arbcom
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the place
to
discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership
over
Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
For example I was denied the right to create the redirect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Davenbellewh...
was promptly deleted by an admin who I believe is an arbitrator.
Arbcom will not allow the restructure of RfAr page which has become very large or so I am told
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#For_the...
do not know what that assessment is based on but I suspect it may be yet another "private" discussion of arbcom. Us lowlifes hardly hear from
arbcom
anymore. It takes forever to load the RFAR page on GPRS connections.
Arbcom was founded by Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales to help resolve disputes. Arbcom is beginning to be the source of a dispute over the most trivial disagreements.
- White Cat
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Please deal with the issues rather than attacking the person. Mike.lifeguard
-----Original Message----- From: White Cat [mailto:wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com] Sent: May 30, 2008 9:12 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] En.wikipedia's arbcom
I do not forum shop. However you Moreschi restlessly pursue me all the time. You'd rather unblock an indef block user and block me in his place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive 142#Jack_Merridew
-- White Cat
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Christiano Moreschi < moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Do you ever stop forum-shopping, White Cat?
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:11:28 +0300 From: wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Anthere9@yahoo.com Subject: [Foundation-l] En.wikipedia's arbcom
Since this issue is about en.wikipedia's arbcom foundation-l is the
place
to
discuss this.
Right now we have an Arbitration Committee that has declared ownership
over
Arbitration related sub pages. Arbitrators will not allow community or members of the community to edit or restructure these pages.
For example I was denied the right to create the redirect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Davenbellewh ich
was promptly deleted by an admin who I believe is an arbitrator.
Arbcom will not allow the restructure of RfAr page which has become very large or so I am told
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#For_the _sake_of_sanity.2C_subpages_pleaseI
do not know what that assessment is based on but I suspect it may be yet another "private" discussion of arbcom. Us lowlifes hardly hear from
arbcom
anymore. It takes forever to load the RFAR page on GPRS connections.
Arbcom was founded by Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales to help resolve disputes. Arbcom is beginning to be the source of a dispute over the
most
trivial disagreements.
- White Cat
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Christiano Moreschi wrote:
Do you ever stop forum-shopping, White Cat?
I think this is the third time Cat has been told this regarding this thread. That is to say, we don't need to be repeating ourselves.
:)
Best, Jon
My apologies: I hadn't read all of the rest of the thread :)
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:30:48 -0500 From: scream@datascreamer.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] En.wikipedia's arbcom
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Christiano Moreschi wrote:
Do you ever stop forum-shopping, White Cat?
I think this is the third time Cat has been told this regarding this thread. That is to say, we don't need to be repeating ourselves.
:)
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