First, thanks to everyone for the input. As a newbie, I really appreciate it. Let me address some of the good points you made.
1. How does Wikimemory fit Wikimedias mission? As I understand it, Wikimedias mission is to present the sum of human knowledge (and, more generally, content) to all of humanity, free, by means of wikis. The data that will be gathered on Wikimemory is part of human knowledge--its the part we use to understand the past. Empirically speaking, historical artifacts such as memoirs *are* the past, or at least the only evidence we have of it. You cant see the past, or go visit; you can only look at whats survived until the present. Moreover, if we dont gather all these memories, they will be lost (they are recorded presently in peoples heads and nowhere else). For the first time in history we have the ability to easily record and store the memories of a huge section of humanity. If we do it, the future will be richer for it (e.g., bad actors wont be able to deny their bad deedsits be on the record for everyone to see).
2. How is Wikimemoir different from Wikimemorial In terms of purpose, the two are different: Wikimemorial memorializes tragedies, while Wikimemoir records significant firsthand accounts of important events. In terms of data-type, Wikimemorys content is similar to *part* of the content on Wikimemorial (or 911wiki), namely, memoirs. There will be no memorials on Wikimemory, at least as I conceive it. The only metadata will be commentary on the primary sources (see below).
3. Hows it different from Wikipeople? Apart from the commentaries on the memoirs, Wikimemory is all data and no metadata; Wikipeople is all metadata (biographies). Put another way, Wikimemory is a primary source; Wikipeople is a secondary source. Both are very valuable, and neither can really exist without the other.
4. Why a Wiki (or, To edit or not to edit)? To me, this is the most interesting question of all because it points up a conflict between two principles. On the one hand, we want to be open and allow everyone to edit all content. On the other hand, we want to gather and disseminate the sum of human knowledge to everyone, free. In the case of Wikimemory (and several other wikis), these principles run up against one another. Let me try to explain. It seems to me that there are two kinds of wikis, differentiated by the kind of data they gather. What might be called scientific wikis record the present state of *human knowledge*, that is, metadata or secondary sources. I have in mind Wikipedia, Wikispecies, etc. In contrast, what might be called documentary wikis gather, preserve and disseminate *artifacts*, that is, data or primary sources. I have in mind 911Wiki, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikicommons, and Wikimemory.
Now heres the interesting part: the scientific wikis can be expected to become more valuable in an opensource environment as they are edited, but the documentary wikis can be expected to become less valuable as they are edited. For example, the Wikipedia *entry* on the Magna Carta will improve as we learn more about the document and its context, but the Wikisource *edition* of the Magna Carta will only become less valuable as it is edited further away from its original, canonical state (the words as they were written in 1215). Or to take a hypothetical example from Wikimemory, the Wikipedia *entry* on Abu Graib Prison will get better as historians uncover more about what happened there, but a Wikimemory *memoir* by one of the prisoners will only lose value if it is changed from its original disposition (that is, if it is vandalized). And heres where we run into a contradiction of principles or aims. If we stick to the open-source principle, then we wont be able to present historical artifacts, because they may be inaccurate reflections of the originals (due to vandalism). This contradicts the all-human-knowledge principle. If, in contrast, we prioritize the all-human-knowledge principle, then well probably be forced to make finished entries on documentary wikis read-only. This violates the open-source principle.
Which is the superior principle? Id say its the all-human-knowledge principle. Theres a lot to be gained by relaxing our stand on open-source here. For this reason I propose that discuss making the finished content on Wikimemory read-only in some or most cases. Moreover, we can still be true to our open-source principles by allowing users edit metadata (explanatory information about the memoirs) to the site. To return to our example, a well-annotated Magna Carta is much easier to understand than a Magna Carta in isolation. And such annotations would be (in the sense meant before) scientific, they would improve as we learned more.
All the Best, Marshall
This project wouldn't be very NPOV or verifiable, though.
On 9/17/05, Poe, Marshall MPoe@theatlantic.com wrote: <snip />
- Why a Wiki (or, To edit or not to edit)?
To me, this is the most interesting question of all because it points up a conflict between two principles. On the one hand, we want to be open and allow everyone to edit all content. On the other hand, we want to gather and disseminate the sum of human knowledge to everyone, free. In the case of Wikimemory (and several other wikis), these principles run up against one another. Let me try to explain. It seems to me that there are two kinds of wikis, differentiated by the kind of data they gather. What might be called "scientific" wikis record the present state of *human knowledge*, that is, metadata or secondary sources. I have in mind Wikipedia, Wikispecies, etc. In contrast, what might be called "documentary" wikis gather, preserve and disseminate *artifacts*, that is, data or primary sources. I have in mind 911Wiki, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikicommons, and Wikimemory.
Now here's the interesting part: the scientific wikis can be expected to become more valuable in an opensource environment as they are edited, but the documentary wikis can be expected to become less valuable as they are edited. For example, the Wikipedia *entry* on the "Magna Carta" will improve as we learn more about the document and its context, but the Wikisource *edition* of the "Magna Carta" will only become less valuable as it is edited further away from its original, canonical state (the words as they were written in 1215). Or to take a hypothetical example from Wikimemory, the Wikipedia *entry* on "Abu Graib Prison" will get better as historians uncover more about what happened there, but a Wikimemory *memoir* by one of the prisoners will only lose value if it is changed from its original disposition (that is, if it is vandalized). And here's where we run into a contradiction of principles or aims. If we stick to the open-source principle, then we won't be able to present historical artifacts, because they may be inaccurate reflections of the originals (due to vandalism). This contradicts the all-human-knowledge principle. If, in contrast, we prioritize the all-human-knowledge principle, then we'll probably be forced to make finished entries on "documentary" wikis read-only. This violates the open-source principle.
Which is the superior principle? I'd say it's the all-human-knowledge principle. There's a lot to be gained by relaxing our stand on open-source here. For this reason I propose that discuss making the finished content on Wikimemory read-only in some or most cases. Moreover, we can still be true to our open-source principles by allowing users edit metadata (explanatory information about the memoirs) to the site. To return to our example, a well-annotated Magna Carta is much easier to understand than a Magna Carta in isolation. And such annotations would be (in the sense meant before) "scientific," they would improve as we learned more.
All the Best, Marshall
I think you are mixing up your terms. Wikis are editable. That is what makes them wikis and not forums (where anyone can contribute, but editing can only be done by a very select group of admins), blogs, and other "open" publishing methods. The wiki principle is far more than just the open source principle.
Anyway, this raises the interesting point that more and more of the things we are doing (such as commons, wikisource, and to some extent wikiquote) do not gain from universal editablitly. This means we need to do some naval gazing about what we are doing and where we are going. If we are to go outside of the realm of wikis (as we already have to some extent) then our software and methods need to change with it. I think wikidata is a step towards this - moving beyond the traditional wiki paradigm. Of course, changing software isn't easy and can stray into the area of bloatware or featureitus. Maybe a whole new piece of software is needed for these new ideas? Maybe aswell as regular requests to the wikimedia community for donnations of money, we should have a programming drive, to encourage those who use the wikimedia to donate time to coding (or for those who can't code to learn to code). This would perhpas lead to probs with quality control. I dont know... just a random suggestion. </OT rambalings>
paz y amor, -rjs.
Robin Shannon asked:
- Why a Wiki (or, To edit or not to edit)?
And I agree that this is the important question.
Marshall Poe answered:
To me, this is the most interesting question of all because it points up a conflict between two principles. On the one hand, we want to be open and allow everyone to edit all content. On the other hand, we want to gather and disseminate the sum of human knowledge to everyone, free.
In mathematical terminology, the sum (e.g. "7") is not the same thing as its terms (e.g. "3 + 4"). The sum can be computed from the terms, but once you have the sum you can no longer determine which the terms were. I think that Wikipedia, using wikis, should disseminate the *sum* of human knowledge, because one person could enter 3 and another could add 4 to it, resulting in the sum. But this new proposed memoir project instead aims to present the individual components or terms, each on their own. Other tools than wikis, such as blogs, are better suited for that task.
There are plenty of technical tools out there for people who want to set up their own blog, to report their individual memoirs. There are also tools that help coordinate blogging on a larger scale, such as del.icio.us for tagging, flickr for adding photos, geobloggers.com for adding geographic coordinates, and most recently the Google Blogsearch.
Wikipedia is also such a tool, as it allows bloggers to link to encyclopedic articles that provide background knowledge on places, people, and events. The occurance of such links is indeed a kind of tagging. You can do a Google blogsearch to find 8 known blog entries that link to the article [[en:Great Chicago Fire]], http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwi... which is 8 times more than you'll find through http://del.icio.us/tag/ChicagoFire
Some future incarnation of Wiktionary could also become such a useful resource, but it isn't really there yet.
but the Wikisource *edition* of the Magna Carta will only become less valuable as it is edited further away from its original, canonical state (the words as they were written in 1215).
Quite correctly, this is a weakness of Wikisource as it is now conceived, and hardly a valid argument for using wikis for memoirs.
Which is the superior principle? Id say its the all-human-knowledge principle.
Nothing says one tool has to be useful for all situations.
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