Nearly everyone who has commented on-wiki thinks the current fundraising banner is especially awful and EN is discussing replacing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Inane_Sitenotice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Switch_...
At the risk of being rude, it would have been much better if the Foundation had provided an open invitation for design feedback from the major wiki communities before foisting this across every page.
-Robert Rohde
Unfortunately, in the time it took you to write this message, the notice has already been altered. Brion removed the scrolling and addressed other concerns, it is likely that the banner may change further in the coming days so please organize any of your comments on the feedback/question page: < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2007%3E.
Although I know you didn't intend to sound rude, this was not the place to say "EN is discussing replacing it". EN could not and would not be allowed to replace it, the ultimate decision rests with the Wikimedia Foundation and its staff/board. However, the Foundation is, as you can see, concerned about how its users feel about such things and have altered the banner per their request. (Many expressed that they could live with it if the scrolling was removed and it was.)
Thank you for keeping us informed.
On 10/22/07, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com wrote:
Nearly everyone who has commented on-wiki thinks the current fundraising banner is especially awful and EN is discussing replacing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Inane_Sitenotice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Switch_...
At the risk of being rude, it would have been much better if the Foundation had provided an open invitation for design feedback from the major wiki communities before foisting this across every page.
-Robert Rohde _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
On 10/22/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
<snip> Although I know you didn't intend to sound rude, this was not the place to say "EN is discussing replacing it". EN could not and would not be allowed to replace it, the ultimate decision rests with the Wikimedia Foundation and its staff/board. However, the Foundation is, as you can see, concerned about how its users feel about such things and have altered the banner per their request. (Many expressed that they could live with it if the scrolling was removed and it was.)
Thank you for keeping us informed.
Actually, the Foundation could choose to allow EN to replace it. I'm sure that if EN were encouraged to design a replacement they would manage something much better than what the Foundation first came up with. And had we been invited to the table in a serious way then something better likely would have been created before this started. I've still yet to find where the the banner layout was shown and discussed beforehand even after browsing the Meta pages.
As for improvements, you could also replace the confusing "*What you don't know about us...* (See more)" text with something that actually informs people that this is part of a Foundation Fundraiser. Several people have already stated they had no idea what the box was about at all.
-Robert Rohde
On 10/23/07, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, the Foundation could choose to allow EN to replace it. I'm sure that if EN were encouraged to design a replacement they would manage something much better than what the Foundation first came up with.
Robert, you're a very smart and eloquent guy (not to mention handsome). Would you be willing to take the lead in soliciting alternative designs from the en.wp community? I agree with you that a better design than the current one is certainly in the realm of the possible *cough* ;-)
Remember, the fundraiser will be running for two months, so there's plenty of time for optimization & bugfixes. I understand things had to be taken live pretty quickly due to a lot of scheduled interviews and such.
Is the progress bar number of people who donated, or a dollar amount? I would assume the goal is monetary not population, but it doesn't seem that way.
Per the Fundraising FAQ http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising_FAQ, it *is* actually people who donated. The goal for this fundraiser is actually based upon the number of people who donate rather than the amount of money we raise.
On 10/23/07, cohesion cohesion@sleepyhead.org wrote:
Is the progress bar number of people who donated, or a dollar amount? I would assume the goal is monetary not population, but it doesn't seem that way.
Judson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cohesion
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On 10/23/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
Per the Fundraising FAQ < http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising_FAQ%3E, it *is* actually people who donated. The goal for this fundraiser is actually based upon the number of people who donate rather than the amount of money we raise.
Is there a goal? Even a number of people goal?
My understanding is that the WMF is not publicizing any goal.
-Robert Rohde
A goal will not be publicized, however one must exist for the bar to be able to fill up. ;-)
On 10/23/07, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/23/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
Per the Fundraising FAQ < http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising_FAQ%3E, it *is* actually people who donated. The goal for this fundraiser is actually based upon the number of people who donate rather than the
amount
of money we raise.
Is there a goal? Even a number of people goal?
My understanding is that the WMF is not publicizing any goal.
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On 10/23/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
A goal will not be publicized, however one must exist for the bar to be able to fill up. ;-)
So the progress bar doesn't indicate amount donated, or any goal at all? :\
Is there somewhere other than the FAQ that has this information?
cohesion wrote:
On 10/23/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
A goal will not be publicized, however one must exist for the bar to be able to fill up. ;-)
So the progress bar doesn't indicate amount donated, or any goal at all? :\
Is there somewhere other than the FAQ that has this information?
The progress bar reflects the total number of donations. And Casey is correct - it's actually not possible to have a progress bar without setting a goal, whether you want to or not :-)
In our case the 'goal' (top of the scale) is 100,000 donations.
Here's what that might look like: - 1,667 donations per day x 60 days = 100,000 total - Our average donation seems to hover around $25, which would = 2.5m
FWIW, we are currently at 2,014 total donations, 30 hours into the fundraiser. But that's pretty meaningless, because donations don't come in steadily; there are big peaks and valleys. But, it's not a bad start :-)
I think it would also help if the banner was centered instead of aligned on the left.
-- Hay / Husky
On 10/24/07, Sue Gardner sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
cohesion wrote:
On 10/23/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
A goal will not be publicized, however one must exist for the bar to be able to fill up. ;-)
So the progress bar doesn't indicate amount donated, or any goal at all? :\
Is there somewhere other than the FAQ that has this information?
The progress bar reflects the total number of donations. And Casey is correct - it's actually not possible to have a progress bar without setting a goal, whether you want to or not :-)
In our case the 'goal' (top of the scale) is 100,000 donations.
Here's what that might look like:
- 1,667 donations per day x 60 days = 100,000 total
- Our average donation seems to hover around $25, which would = 2.5m
FWIW, we are currently at 2,014 total donations, 30 hours into the fundraiser. But that's pretty meaningless, because donations don't come in steadily; there are big peaks and valleys. But, it's not a bad start :-)
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Husky wrote:
I think it would also help if the banner was centered instead of aligned on the left.
A centered banner would interfere with templates more frequently. (For instance the geographic coordinates and featured/protected badges on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany )
It also wouldn't fit with the flow of text, thus looking rather odd in my opinion.
-- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
--- Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
Per the Fundraising FAQ http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising_FAQ, it *is* actually people who donated. The goal for this fundraiser is actually based upon the number of people who donate rather than the amount of money we raise.
I see that the FAQ in fact says that the total number of *donations* are being tracked. Yet the banner reports the number of *people* who donated. So which is it? If I donate twice, am I counted as two people? Odd.
-- mav
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On 23/10/2007, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com wrote:
Nearly everyone who has commented on-wiki thinks the current fundraising banner is especially awful and EN is discussing replacing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Inane_Sitenotice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Switch_...
At the risk of being rude, it would have been much better if the Foundation had provided an open invitation for design feedback from the major wiki communities before foisting this across every page.
-Robert Rohde _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
It's been up on Meta-Wiki for ages. En are free to do what they like, but the foundation still has authority over it. They listened, and they've changed it to be more aesthetically appealing. You can even dismiss it now, what more do you want?
I believe he just sent his message before he saw that the changes had already taken place.
On 10/22/07, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 23/10/2007, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com wrote:
Nearly everyone who has commented on-wiki thinks the current fundraising banner is especially awful and EN is discussing replacing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Inane_Sitenotice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Switch_...
At the risk of being rude, it would have been much better if the Foundation had provided an open invitation for design feedback from the major wiki communities before foisting this across every page.
-Robert Rohde _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
It's been up on Meta-Wiki for ages. En are free to do what they like, but the foundation still has authority over it. They listened, and they've changed it to be more aesthetically appealing. You can even dismiss it now, what more do you want?
-- Alex (Majorly)
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