*
Dear all,
*
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.*
*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them, and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members in their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliate_dere...
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them, and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members in their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il http://wikimedia.org.il Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to
the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them, and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members in their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
http://wikimedia.org.ve Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il
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I also agree with Itzik and James. The chapters depend on the Wikimedia Foundation for a large part of their finances, so when something like this happens, the whole movement is concerned, not just Wikimedia Philippines. When one chapter of affiliate looks bad, everybody will get part of the backlash. Affcom has to make these tough decisions, but I also think they are necessary in order to keep a certain credibility.
Gabe
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 3:41 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
in
it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization,
or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
and
their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to
the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
requirements
which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them,
and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
of
November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
Wikimedia
communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
http://wikimedia.org.ve Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote: Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 tel:%2B972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <maor_x@zoho.com mailto:maor_x@zoho.com> wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them, and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members in their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/ <http://wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve/> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <http://wikimedia.org.il http://wikimedia.org.il/> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 tel:%2B972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
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Hey Josh
So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating circumstances regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and affcom ongoing?
James
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
in
it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 tel:%2B972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il <
http://www.wikimedia.org.il/%3E
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <maor_x@zoho.com <mailto:
maor_x@zoho.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization,
or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
and
their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
to the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
requirements
which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them,
and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
of
November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
Wikimedia
communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/%3E
wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/%3E
Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/
<http://wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve/> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
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Hi James,
Towards the end of the process, and I will admit I was guilty of this as well, we have been so demotivated by the process that we felt it wasn’t worth it to continue communicating with the Affiliations Committee further.
Over the last year, we had been working to return to compliance. These included adopting new processes to automate old manual ones, completing overdue financial reports, and pursing other changes that were asked of us. We had a deadline, and we have completed as much of it as we could, but ultimately there were items that we didn’t complete by that deadline, either because we couldn’t (government bureaucracy for much of it), or because we felt that given our capacity the deadline was overly ambitious. We accept responsibility for that. However, despite our efforts, it was decided that we should lose chapter status.
I will admit that we haven’t had the best communication record with the Foundation and the Committee, fine. But we tried to do what they asked anyway. We didn’t decide to disband like Wikimedia Hong Kong, and the decision basically said that our efforts are all for naught. That’s where it became increasingly difficult for us who want to keep going at WMPH to get the chapter moving on these things.
So far, we’re sticking around and still working to return to compliance. But this is something we’re all disappointed over. As for me personally, having dedicated so much of my life to building the chapter and the community here in the Philippines at large, I don’t know how to process what’s going on, since it’s as if everything I’ve built is for naught.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 25, 2017, at 11:45 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Josh
So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating circumstances regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and affcom ongoing?
James
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com mailto:jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il <mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il>> wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
in
it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078 tel:%2B972-54-5878078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <
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maor_x@zoho.com mailto:maor_x@zoho.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization,
or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
and
their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
to the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
requirements
which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them,
and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
of
November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
Wikimedia
communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/>
wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <
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Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
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Hey Josh
Thanks for sharing the other side of the issue. If you were actively working towards compliance agree having the chapter status pulled is concerning. Government bureaucracy is horribly slow. Anything we as the wider movement can do to help? Has affcom given you guidance regarding how to return to chapter status?
James
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi James,
Towards the end of the process, and I will admit I was guilty of this as well, we have been so demotivated by the process that we felt it wasn’t worth it to continue communicating with the Affiliations Committee further.
Over the last year, we had been working to return to compliance. These included adopting new processes to automate old manual ones, completing overdue financial reports, and pursing other changes that were asked of us. We had a deadline, and we have completed as much of it as we could, but ultimately there were items that we didn’t complete by that deadline, either because we couldn’t (government bureaucracy for much of it), or because we felt that given our capacity the deadline was overly ambitious. We accept responsibility for that. However, despite our efforts, it was decided that we should lose chapter status.
I will admit that we haven’t had the best communication record with the Foundation and the Committee, fine. But we tried to do what they asked anyway. We didn’t decide to disband like Wikimedia Hong Kong, and the decision basically said that our efforts are all for naught. That’s where it became increasingly difficult for us who want to keep going at WMPH to get the chapter moving on these things.
So far, we’re sticking around and still working to return to compliance. But this is something we’re all disappointed over. As for me personally, having dedicated so much of my life to building the chapter and the community here in the Philippines at large, I don’t know how to process what’s going on, since it’s as if everything I’ve built is for naught.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 25, 2017, at 11:45 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Josh
So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating
circumstances
regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and affcom ongoing?
James
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com
mailto:jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for
everyone
involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the
entire
process, but at this point I simply cannot.
I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.
Every
organization does. But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated
over
a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief
this
entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have
been
telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
for
the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il <mailto:
itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il>> wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of
new
organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to
check
and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active
or
non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what
is
a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
in
it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078 tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |
http://www.wikimedia.org.il http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <
http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <maor_x@zoho.com <mailto:
maor_x@zoho.com> <mailto:
maor_x@zoho.com mailto:maor_x@zoho.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization,
or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
and
their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
to the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
requirements
which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them,
and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list
of
tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
chapter
agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
of
November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
Wikimedia
communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/%3E <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/>
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junain."
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Itzik has put it nicely. The volunteers in Affcom are committed folks, and it is reassuring that multiple steps are taken to encourage struggling affiliates to meet the basic requirements.
Running a chapter is a hard burden for a small group of volunteers, particularly if relying on volunteers to produce monthly reports and run accounts. There no shame it letting it go if not enough volunteers want to take this on.
For those involved who may feel discouraged, I recommend keeping an social group running, even on a very informal and ad hoc way. Later, it may be worth considering the benefits of recognizing a small society as an affiliate User Group, where the administrative requirements are very small indeed. In fact it can be rather nice not to have to worry about holding money, running accounts or even managing memberships, none of this being a firm requirement. The reporting is just 'logging' of related events and projects, the sorts of things small societies want to do for ourselves, yet gives you the modest benefit of being able to use "Wikimedia" as a brand and logo for events.
Thanks, Fae Wikimedia LGBT+
On 23 April 2017 at 09:14, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them, and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members in their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
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I have a request and/or question. I've got the idea from "Incident report". When things don't go as planned in servers, we write an incident report and try to learn from lapses happened. Now my question is. Has something similar done for chapters that get de-recognized? Do you want to talk to volunteers in those chapters and investigate why this happened so other chapters can learn and fix mistakes early on? Sometimes it's outside our control (for example socioeconomic situation in a country can contribute to amount of activities in the chapter) but maybe there are issues in the governance of the chapter that can lead to such cases.
I know AffCom members are volunteers and this might be too much for a group of volunteers which have already a lot on their plate. Just for consideration.
Thanks and keep the great work up. Best
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:20 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Itzik has put it nicely. The volunteers in Affcom are committed folks, and it is reassuring that multiple steps are taken to encourage struggling affiliates to meet the basic requirements.
Running a chapter is a hard burden for a small group of volunteers, particularly if relying on volunteers to produce monthly reports and run accounts. There no shame it letting it go if not enough volunteers want to take this on.
For those involved who may feel discouraged, I recommend keeping an social group running, even on a very informal and ad hoc way. Later, it may be worth considering the benefits of recognizing a small society as an affiliate User Group, where the administrative requirements are very small indeed. In fact it can be rather nice not to have to worry about holding money, running accounts or even managing memberships, none of this being a firm requirement. The reporting is just 'logging' of related events and projects, the sorts of things small societies want to do for ourselves, yet gives you the modest benefit of being able to use "Wikimedia" as a brand and logo for events.
Thanks, Fae Wikimedia LGBT+
On 23 April 2017 at 09:14, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
in
it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization,
or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
and
their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to
the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them,
and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
Wikimedia
communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members in their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
http://wikimedia.org.ve Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 <+972%2052-486-9915> Twitter: @maor_x _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
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It should have been noted that the Philippines affiliate https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community is going strong and actively working in the region, they continue to do so with support. I think care should be taken with such negative notices to ensure we dont damage the existing and ongoing positive activities with a notice thats focusing on an unrelated issue.
On 24 April 2017 at 06:05, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
I have a request and/or question. I've got the idea from "Incident report". When things don't go as planned in servers, we write an incident report and try to learn from lapses happened. Now my question is. Has something similar done for chapters that get de-recognized? Do you want to talk to volunteers in those chapters and investigate why this happened so other chapters can learn and fix mistakes early on? Sometimes it's outside our control (for example socioeconomic situation in a country can contribute to amount of activities in the chapter) but maybe there are issues in the governance of the chapter that can lead to such cases.
I know AffCom members are volunteers and this might be too much for a group of volunteers which have already a lot on their plate. Just for consideration.
Thanks and keep the great work up. Best
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:20 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Itzik has put it nicely. The volunteers in Affcom are committed folks, and it is reassuring that multiple steps are taken to encourage struggling affiliates to meet the basic requirements.
Running a chapter is a hard burden for a small group of volunteers, particularly if relying on volunteers to produce monthly reports and run accounts. There no shame it letting it go if not enough volunteers want to take this on.
For those involved who may feel discouraged, I recommend keeping an social group running, even on a very informal and ad hoc way. Later, it may be worth considering the benefits of recognizing a small society as an affiliate User Group, where the administrative requirements are very small indeed. In fact it can be rather nice not to have to worry about holding money, running accounts or even managing memberships, none of this being a firm requirement. The reporting is just 'logging' of related events and projects, the sorts of things small societies want to do for ourselves, yet gives you the modest benefit of being able to use "Wikimedia" as a brand and logo for events.
Thanks, Fae Wikimedia LGBT+
On 23 April 2017 at 09:14, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of
new
organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to
check
and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active
or
non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what
is
a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
in
it.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Dear all,
**
*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization,
or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
Wikimedia
name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
cases
when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
and
their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
to
the
Wikimedia movement.*
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
requirements
which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them,
and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list
of
tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
chapter
agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
of
November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
longer
be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
Chapter
Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
Wikimedia
communities and their activities in the Philippines.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found athttps://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQhttps:/ /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Maor Malul Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
http://wikimedia.org.ve Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 <+972%2052-486-9915> Twitter: @maor_x _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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Hi Amir,
I have a request and/or question. I've got the idea from "Incident report".
When things don't go as planned in servers, we write an incident report and try to learn from lapses happened. Now my question is. Has something similar done for chapters that get de-recognized? Do you want to talk to volunteers in those chapters and investigate why this happened so other chapters can learn and fix mistakes early on?
You're right that we ought to learn as much as we can from these situations so we (as a movement) can support new affiliates better in future.
However in most of these cases the volunteers involved have moved on to other things. If they aren't responding to contacts from WMF or AffCom about the likely de-recognition of their chapter they probably also won't respond to contacts asking for their input into a washup report.
Affcom and some WMF staff might have some insight, but it if that was going to be documented publically then it would be important to do it in a way that doesn't look like people are just pointing fingers at individuals.
Chris
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