The de-recognition notice was sent on February 26 to WMPH. If you read the original email sent, it clearly says that on September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate, and given a deadline to correct a list of issues, which was not met. The chapter's recognition was not renewed after March 1, 2017. We're just 5 days before May. Please read well the original email. Honestly, do you really think the chapter was de-recognised all of a sudden, without a chance to correct the issues raised? Do you really think there was no communication between September 2016 and March 1, 2017? Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Gnangarra" &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com&gt; To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" &lt;wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Cc: "Wikimedia Movement Affiliates discussion list" &lt;affiliates(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines Date: Tue, Apr 25, 2017 1:43 PM In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still working to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your response which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears that it could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what was raised, especially to say "The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details​."    ​I am concerned about how you can speak so categorically after just 5 hours for the WMF when they arent even awake​, especially given it normally takes a few days for any official statement from the WMF.  I have no problem with affiliates being deregistered but the process should be transparent and it should also be fair, no discussion or response to what Josh raised publically is neither fair nor transparent  Josh response was that WMPH was accountable you could have least given him the chance to clarify the availability of the reporting requirements by providing them On 25 April 2017 at 17:33, Maor Malul &lt;maor_x(a)zoho.com&gt; wrote: Hello, The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely different Wikimedia affiliate. If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. Please elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or investigation" means. 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió: It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time and other resources need some clarity as well While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so quickly. On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul &lt;maor_x(a)zoho.com <mailto:maor_x@zoho.com>> wrote:     Hello Josh,     The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further     details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt     the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please,     avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is     already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was     given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do,     but decided to go its own way.     M.     El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:         If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being         “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this         process will remain sustainable.         I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating         for everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself         composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I         simply cannot.         I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than         others.  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the         work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown         out the window because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best         of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to         the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as         accountable as we could’ve been.         You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this         entire process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot,         process the grief this entire process has brought upon         Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself.  I will try to         be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me         to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect         for the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s         really all I’m asking for at this point..         Thanks,         Josh             On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman             &lt;jmh649(a)gmail.com <mailto:jmh649@gmail.com>             <mailto:jmh649@gmail.com <mailto:jmh649@gmail.com>>> wrote:             I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of             accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in             the Philippines to become more active again.             James             On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia             Israel&lt;itzik(a)wikimedia.org.il             <mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il>             <mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il             <mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il>>>wrote:                 Thank you Maor for the update.                 We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome                 recognition of new                 organizations, but I strongly believe that we             continuously need                 to check                 and evaluate our current organizations.                 Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core             assets - and                 while it's                 not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to                 recognize new                 ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are             not longer                 active or                 non-compliance with our movement requirements.                 Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to             start discuses                 what is a                 "movement accountability" and how we evaluate             organizations who                 operate                 outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a                 significant part in                 it.                 *Regards,Itzik Edri*                 Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel                 +972-54-5878078                 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il                 <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>                 Imagine a world in which every single human being can             freely                 share in the                 sum of all knowledge. 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