---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Szalai Laszlo szalasz87@hotmail.com Date: 2008/10/2 Subject: RE: fair use on Hungarian Wikipedia - help! To: foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi!
Please help, the Hungarian Wikipedia have an law problem with not free images. Near all book, music, movie etc. cover and poster, logos removed because of Foundation policy. (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy) Says "in accordance with United States law and the law of countries where the project content is predominantly accessed" Hungarian law don't grant using this kind images. (But not really banned.)
Lot of user would like to illustrating again the article of books, movies, etc. We maked a fair use like policy for our Wikipedia but Foundation policy not totally grant it because of Hungarian law. Why need to be stopped the visual evolution of Hungarian Wikipedia? This images is not deplete the book publisher and movie studios, etc! It's popularize them, but they usually don't answers the mails. In the entire internet anybody don't have any problem because of using illustrating a text about movie etc. Hosting these by servers it's not else than the english Wiki's pictures. Why so hard the Foundation policy for thos countries where there is a outdated law? There wasn't and won't any problem with it. Can't you help us?
Policy says this too:
"Such EDPs must be minimal. Their use, with limited exception, should be to illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works"
Our plan is good for it, isn't it enough?
Thanks
László Szalai
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2008/10/2 Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com:
Please help, the Hungarian Wikipedia have an law problem with not free images. Near all book, music, movie etc. cover and poster, logos removed because of Foundation policy. (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy) Says "in accordance with United States law and the law of countries where the project content is predominantly accessed" Hungarian law don't grant using this kind images. (But not really banned.)
Okey does anyone have a copy of Hungarian law?
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:44 AM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2008/10/2 Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com:
Please help, the Hungarian Wikipedia have an law problem with not free images. Near all book, music, movie etc. cover and poster, logos removed because of Foundation policy. (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy) Says "in accordance with United States law and the law of countries where the project content is predominantly accessed" Hungarian law don't grant using this kind images. (But not really banned.)
The first step is to help yourself.
Write a good article about copyright in Hungarian language.
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szerz%C5%91i_jog
Translate this article onto Hungarian Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law
Write a good article about Hungarian copyright law, in both Hungarian and English languages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyright_law_by_country
Okey does anyone have a copy of Hungarian law?
You can nearly always find a link at [[w:en:List of countries' copyright length]]
http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=en&id=2213
And the Hungarian language text for it is on Wikisource:
http://hu.wikisource.org/wiki/Szerz%C5%91i_jogi_t%C3%B6rv%C3%A9ny
(see also http://www.hpo.hu/jogforras/9976.html )
It would be useful if a free translation was created on English Wikisource; red link here:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_law#Hungary
-- John Vandenberg
On Friday 03 October 2008 03:38:00 John Vandenberg wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:44 AM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2008/10/2 Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com:
Please help, the Hungarian Wikipedia have an law problem with not free images. Near all book, music, movie etc. cover and poster, logos removed because of Foundation policy. (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy) Says "in accordance with United States law and the law of countries where the project content is predominantly accessed" Hungarian law don't grant using this kind images. (But not really banned.)
The first step is to help yourself.
Write a good article about copyright in Hungarian language.
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szerz%C5%91i_jog
Translate this article onto Hungarian Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law
Write a good article about Hungarian copyright law, in both Hungarian and English languages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyright_law_by_country
Okey does anyone have a copy of Hungarian law?
You can nearly always find a link at [[w:en:List of countries' copyright length]]
http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=en&id=2213
And the Hungarian language text for it is on Wikisource:
http://hu.wikisource.org/wiki/Szerz%C5%91i_jogi_t%C3%B6rv%C3%A9ny
(see also http://www.hpo.hu/jogforras/9976.html )
It would be useful if a free translation was created on English Wikisource; red link here:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_law#Hungary
Create Wikimedia Hungary and advocate changes to Hungarian copyright law.
On Friday 03 October 2008 01:44:38 geni wrote:
2008/10/2 Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com:
Please help, the Hungarian Wikipedia have an law problem with not free images. Near all book, music, movie etc. cover and poster, logos removed because of Foundation policy. (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy) Says "in accordance with United States law and the law of countries where the project content is predominantly accessed" Hungarian law don't grant using this kind images. (But not really banned.)
Okey does anyone have a copy of Hungarian law?
http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=EN&id=2213#P257_43773
From what I see, they have the citation right, so they can use book covers and the like.
Michael Bimmler wrote:
The situation sounds for me similar as in most european countries like Germany and France. There are no fairuse paragraph or very restricted fairuse paragraphs there. So, if you look at the german Wikipedia, you will see that most articles about movie or CD have no posters or covers and a lot of celebrities have no photos.
The problem is local country law. If you disobey that law, you may face the danger that Wikipedia get banned one day from your country, or if one day you want to form a hungarian chapter, that chapter may face legal problems in the country.
Lot of user would like to illustrating again the article of books, movies, etc.
Yes I know that a lot of users like that. But the most important part of our articles is not pictures, but texts. You must make your editors aware of this. It is sometimes disappointing if I see on the german Wikipedia no poster for a movie and when I flip to the english one there is a poster. But we don't make law, and we must obey law. The best way to change this is to urge your parliament delegates to change the country law in this respect.
We maked a fair use like policy for our Wikipedia but Foundation policy not totally grant it because of Hungarian law. Why need to be stopped the visual evolution of Hungarian Wikipedia? This images is not deplete the book publisher and movie studios, etc! It's popularize them, but they usually don't answers the mails.
The question is not, if we are popularizing them or if we are harming them. Because your country don't recognize fairuse. Pictures you uploaded are illegal in your country. Some artists do want their portraits or posters only used for money.
Ting.
2008/10/3 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
Michael Bimmler wrote:
The problem is local country law. If you disobey that law, you may face the danger that Wikipedia get banned one day from your country, or if one day you want to form a hungarian chapter, that chapter may face legal problems in the country.
+ Hungarian citizens who contribute to Wikimedia projects can always be traced by Hungarian police and sued for copyright violation in Hungary, as they upload copyrighted in Hungary pictures to foreign servers...
2008/10/3 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
Michael Bimmler wrote:
The problem is local country law. If you disobey that law, you may face the danger that Wikipedia get banned one day from your country, or if one day you want to form a hungarian chapter, that chapter may face legal problems in the country.
+ Hungarian citizens who contribute to Wikimedia projects can always be traced by Hungarian police and sued for copyright violation in Hungary, as they upload copyrighted in Hungary pictures to foreign servers...
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