Porantim;
I mean you no disrespect, but we really need to see proof of discussion being monopolized.
Sincerely;
Geoffrey Plourde
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Porantim;
Quer dizer que você não desrespeitar, mas nós realmente precisamos de ver a prova de
discussão a ser monopolizada.
Atenciosamente;
Geoffrey Plourde
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From: Porantim <porantim(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians
Ziko,
Maybe the problem is my very poor english and I can't explain what I really
think.
There is *no* "Wikimedia organisation" in Brazil. There is no
"allegation"
about nothing. There is facts about *proposed* chapter.
I suggest you to read the messas in beggining of this thread.
Exept Jimb, nobody wrote about "feelings".
The problem don't is people with no edits participate of the chapter, the
problem is deny editors to participate.
Well, that's it.
Saludos
-- Porantim
2008/11/26 Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)googlemail.com>
This subject line is very strange to me: "A
chapter without Wikimedians". A
member of a Wikimedia organisation is a Wikimedian by definition, he is
someone who supports with his fee and his invested sparetime the Wikimedia
goals.
If someone calls a fellow member "a non Wikimedian", this is at least rude.
If someone claims that a fellow member has other goals than Wikimedia and
wants to take abuse of the organisation, that is a very serious allegation.
An allegation that is better based on evidence and not on stomach feelings.
As others have already said, a good Wikimedian is not necessarily an
extensive editor. I know of a senior member of Wikimedia Deutschland who is
very, very active for our goals, but he told me that he was not allowed to
vote for the WMF board this year, because he did not make enough edits the
months before.
Ziko
2008/11/26 Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia-inc.com>
Porantim wrote:
When Jimmy puts his personal feelings as the
unique argument, no more
have
to say. When he puts his friendship against the
interests of the
community,
no more remain to do.
You know, Jimmy is a kind of symbol to some us, maybe all of us. Then,
when
> he puts this conversation in that maniqueist form, I don't know what
more
remain.
Jimmy has feelings about Thomas. That's OK to me, but there is no
argument
against that, when that is de unique argument.
Porantim, I would like to be your friend as well. Please don't take
anything that I have said as being a matter of taking sides against you
or for Thomas *and* especially not supposing that I have any opinion on
the proposed bylaw changes (I don't even know what they are).
All that I have said is that I met Thomas, and based on what I know of
him, he will be a peace seeker and he has no interest in being any kind
of boss or tyrant of the chapter process. Nor is he an aggressive
person. I found the suggestions (I don't know who made them first,
perhaps not you) that the chapter might be at risk of being used for
purposes of money laundering to be a bit over top, and I felt it
important to mention what little I do know.
Again, I will meet with Thomas, and I will ask him what is going on, and
I will recommend to him that everyone should make peace.
It is not helpful to suppose that I am putting my "friendship against
the interests of the community".
--Jimbo
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