Hello David,
right. Wikiseek is from the idea and architecture not bad, wikiwax already there, I do
not like the ads and timestamp of launch.
Ok so we see how wikiasari might look and it shows, that wikiseek and yacysearch are
faster and exaggerated done by private persons than the wikia company. So this shows, that
building a community with each member running a p2p search engine node is the way to go.
Together we are stronger than 3 wikis servers or the google ones.
But what is important for the foundation list still remains, that the wikipedia websites
and urls are very good content, we need not only in google, but as well in the p2p search
engine. So i would like to see more persons indexing wikipedia. Maybe the foundation of
wikimedia can support this process wirh a few servers please for yacy. And then: besides
a) private engagement in a community and
b) indexing wikipedia sites we need
c) as well a instituional support for open source search engines and open source seach
indexed / databases. Open source means for me, without advertisements as well. And this is
why the wikimediafoundation needs an open search engine and database as well. yacy could
be this code for the projct. We do not need to develop code for the application, I just
want a project of wikimedia foundation to run a small yacy server to index the wikipedia
in each country languag please.
Would be nice, if someone can organize this and the discussion is as well done here on
the foundation list. We could make a wiki-webpage for this project, we then could edit
some proposals for it.
Does anyone of wikimedia foundationm agree and could provide a wiki-page on the
foundation homepage to announce some search index servers (yacy) for the whole wikipedia
content?
Thanks and regards.
As gini is out of the bottle with wikiseek, we do not need to wait for wikiasari, we just
need a community doing it with yacy.
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Datum: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:11:53 -0600
Von: David Strauss <david(a)fourkitchens.com>
An: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Betreff: Re: [Foundation-l] wikiseek & wikiwax is out
Please reexamine what *free* knowledge means in
the context of Wikipedia
and the GFDL. Wikipedia's sense of "free" includes other people's
freedom to profit from the work.
Regarding brands, "wiki" is not one. Wiki is a type of technology and
(possibly) a type of community. Wikimedia, Wikipedia, and Wikia are
brands.
And before you accuse Wikiseek of being a corrupt commercial preemption
of Wikiasari, you should remember something: not only does Wikiasari
only exist in rumor, it's probably also commercial. Neither Wikiasari
nor Wikiseek is a charitable project of the Wikimedia Foundation.
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Datum: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:09:33 -0600
Von: David Strauss <david(a)fourkitchens.com>
I don't understand the critical reaction to
Wikiseek. No one here would
criticize a new search engine that indexed the whole web *including*
Wikipedia, so there's no reason to criticize a search engine that
indexes *only* Wikipedia.
- google does not brand itself wiki
- google is not doing this before a wiki *open search* launch is done
- it is a trojaner, as google is behind it with its ads.
- it shows, that wikimedia needs an own open search engine for wikipedia
content and links/web outside.
I also
don't see how Wikiseek could hurt Wikipedia. If anything, more
avenues to Wikipedia will *increase* the number of readers and editors.
- one is making money from my work, searching hoursly for the best
weblinks for the article of "pregnancy"? They are doing money
with my free
editors work and manual linksearch, either they make the database open or this
is a GPL violation.
- it is a misleading of the brand for wikipedia
and for wikia´s
wikiasari open search
- ir opens the hint for google´s bribery of
wikipedia, as the
advertisements of google finance wikipedia
- it is a google trojaner in disguise for
wikiasari
And in the event that Wikiseek is successful, the
Foundation might even
receive some sizable contributions.
Totally wrong: we do nto want that money. Wikipedia´s contimbution it
the community and not money from the google syndication ads. Google cannot
buy the community. This is a hit for corruption.
> and what about the second clone:
http://www.wikiwax.com/
>
> ????
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