On Nov 12, 2007 5:54 AM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly is the person issuing the ban on
#wikipedia and
#wikimedia-ops. All of those layers are hence useless as she so far
refused to communicate using a non-irc method such as my wikipedia
talk page or email. I do not want to talk to NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly
directly on IRC as I ignored her permanently so as not to rise the
temperature unnecessarily as we end up annoying each other
unintentionally.
I can't publicly post the log here but can email it to you (in fact
I'll forwarded it after sending this).
- White Cat
On Nov 12, 2007 12:37 PM, Sean Whitton <sean(a)silentflame.com> wrote:
On 11/12/07, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
[snip]
The contacts are listed on meta, but they're
not there to resolve
personal disputes you have with people on IRC. As the page says "the
contacts have a policy of staying out of channel affairs..."
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Group_Contacts
For the record, I am the person to go to at the moment rather than
James as he has delegated 99% of the work to me due to other
commitments. You are right though that we try to stay out of this at
all costs. The correct order for escalation of issues is the
following, but really anything past the first few layers is a last
resort:
For #wikipedia:
Op who banned
#wikimedia-ops (where I hope bans are used extremely sparingly)
Deputy Channel Contact, NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly
Channel Contact: Mark_Ryan
IRC Group Contacts
Sean
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Let me just chime in with last night - White_Cat: appearantly Drini, an op,
asked you why you were in #wikipedia-es - Drini wanted to be sure you
weren't leaking logs, and you ignored him. When he banned you, you came to
-ops and asked for help. JohnReaves and myself were on at the time, and we
didn't ignore you, we simply didn't have any power in -es. When Drini
arrived, you refused to unignore him, and there wasn't anything we could do
to help you.
As for the #wikipedia incident, White_Cat was asking for homework
assistance, NotACow posted the solution, but White_Cat was ignoring NotACow.
White_Cat was asking for someone with logs, and didn't see NotACow's
warnings. (NotACow is the deputy channel contact, by the way.)
White_Cat: You want to be unbanned, of course. To do that, you went to -ops
last night - no problem with that. But you can not ignore the only people
who can help you. Your escalation from -ops to email was not necessary, as
there was a user there fully able to help you, had you unignored him and
answered his questions.
And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?
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ST47
Administrator, en.wikipedia