Hello, On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins &lt;en.wp.st47(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l? Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that particular IRC channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically, and this incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic category, I suppose ... So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my opinion about that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too. Cheers, -- KIZU Naoko Wikiquote <http://wikiquote.org> is a free online project for building collections of quotations, hosted by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing lists but it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it, take it to OTRS.

On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat &lt;wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Where am I supposed to post it then? > > - White Cat > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez &lt;pdsanchez(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: >> On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia &lt;aphaia(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins &lt;en.wp.st47(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l? >>> >>> Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that >>> particular IRC >>> channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically, >>> and this >>> incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic >>> category, I >>> suppose ... >>> >>> So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my >>> opinion about >>> that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -- >>> KIZU Naoko >>> Wikiquote <http://wikiquote.org> is a free online project for >>> building >>> collections of quotations, hosted by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD >>> >> >> Yes this is SO offtopic: >> >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/ >> 030884.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >> foundation-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > foundation-l > -- Cometstyles _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ foundation-l

On Nov 12, 2007 6:53 PM, Comet styles &lt;cometstyles(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing > lists but > it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in > which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it, > take > it to OTRS. I agree with everything up to the last point. How and why on earth should OTRS people be asked to deal with such things? At least some of the OTRS people don't even use IRC and I don't why they, as Wikimedia Support Team, should become involved with intra-community issues... Michael > > On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat > &lt;wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> Where am I supposed to post it then? >> >> - White Cat >> >> >> On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez &lt;pdsanchez(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >>> On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia &lt;aphaia(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins &lt;en.wp.st47(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l? >>>> >>>> Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that >>>> particular IRC >>>> channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically, >>>> and this >>>> incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic >>>> category, I >>>> suppose ... >>>> >>>> So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my >>>> opinion about >>>> that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -- >>>> KIZU Naoko >>>> Wikiquote <http://wikiquote.org> is a free online project >>>> for building >>>> collections of quotations, hosted by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>>> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/ >>>> WQ:QOTD >>>> >>> >>> Yes this is SO offtopic: >>> >>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/ >>> 030884.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> foundation-l mailing list >>> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>> foundation-l >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >> foundation-l >> > > > > -- > Cometstyles > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ foundation-l

OTRS? Under whose directive do the have greater authority than wikimedia contacts? They certainly are not the right address for such issues.

I already explained this issue cannot be resolved on IRC JamesF is busy. Seanw may help but this issue probably exceeded his deputy role as a deputy contact.

My complaint isn't over the specific issue involving me. We have a large gap between the foundation and the wikimedia contacts. If users have problems with wikimedia contacts or if the wikimedia contacts are not available for whatever the reason I should be able to resolve the issue somehow. Right now thats the gap and the point of this inquiry.

- White Cat On Nov 12, 2007 7:59 PM, Michael Bimmler &lt;mbimmler(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > On Nov 12, 2007 6:53 PM, Comet styles &lt;cometstyles(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing lists > > but > > it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in > > which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it, > > take > > it to OTRS. > > I agree with everything up to the last point. How and why on earth > should OTRS people be asked to deal with such things? At least some > of > the OTRS people don't even use IRC and I don't why they, as Wikimedia > Support Team, should become involved with intra-community issues... > > Michael > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat > > &lt;wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > Where am I supposed to post it then? > > > > > > - White Cat > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez &lt;pdsanchez(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > wrote: > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia &lt;aphaia(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins &lt;en.wp.st47(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that > > > > > particular IRC > > > > > channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically, > > > > > and this > > > > > incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic > > > > > category, I > > > > > suppose ... > > > > > > > > > > So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my > > > > > opinion about > > > > > that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > -- > > > > > KIZU Naoko > > > > > Wikiquote <http://wikiquote.org> is a free online project for > > > > > building > > > > > collections of quotations, hosted by Wikimedia Foundation, > > > > > Inc. > > > > > Quote of the Day (English): > > > > > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes this is SO offtopic: > > > > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/030884.html > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cometstyles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

The contacts are listed on meta, but they're not there to resolve personal disputes you have with people on IRC. As the page says "the contacts have a policy of staying out of channel affairs..." http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Group_Contacts