Yes, exactly. :-)
2015-10-29 23:22 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:
I think it might just be a question of phrasing,
actually.
"Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it
to those!
Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other
language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!"
For Wikipedians, the purpose of Wikidata is not "because Wikidata". It is
added value to their own work; language links are an important part of
this.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Leila Zia <leila(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Risker,
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We do not expect anyone to add information to any
other
project when they create content on the project of their choice.
I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the
editor
the option to upload Media to the article which
in reality means
uploading
Media to Commons if I'm not missing
something. The workflow is very
smooth,
and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know
about Commons to follow
the
flow.
Leila
On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki
<romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should
be
> > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > interwikis existed.
> >
> > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a
message
> > after they created a category/article
to add it to Wikidata.
> >
> > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps
further
> > settings are possible.
> >
> > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are
not
>
added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not
added
to
> Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100
new
> > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one
wiki,
and
a huge workload to get them added properly.
Romaine
2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
>
> This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
really
> > feel comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to
Commons
> > > when they write an article. We don't expect people to include
> > definitions
> > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word. We don't expect people
to
be
>
adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote. For that
matter,
> we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
review
> > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they
add
to
> > Wikiquote. So why would we set up any kind of expectation that
people
> > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > >
> > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that,
bluntly
put,
> isn't going to last more than an
hour...get these messages, and add
junk
> > data to Wikidata. Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing
and
> > improve what is there already, but
it's a huge labour and we
shouldn't
> be
> > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata
development: a
> > > better
> > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > >
> > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those
are
> not
> > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
> exists.
> > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there
is
no
> > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that
after
> the
> > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen,
etc)
> in
> > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In
the
first
> > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
better
> if
> > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can
stay
> in
> > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > > properties
> > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > > properties.
> > > >
> > > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of
Wikipedia
and
> her
> > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> >
> > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> >
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Romaine
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