If you want to add a new image to Wikipedia, this image has to be on
Commons (nl-wiki situation).
If interwikilinks should be seen in the sidebar, the article needs to be
added to Wikidata.
This are the two relevant examples, other mentioned examples are not
relevant as there is requirement in place.
I give many workshops in editing Wikipedia and I see there two main issues
why new editors are experiencing editing Wikipedia as difficult: 1. there
is no social environment, 2. the software is too complex to handle. One of
the things the community expect is that articles are added to Wikidata, and
still this isn't made easier for them.
The complaint is that the users do not get a automatic message that it
should be added, so they do not see a reason to add it themselves. Further
they miss an easy way workflow to do this, exactly what I propose here.
That the English Wikipedia has once decided to shut down article creation
by unregistered users, this is on many wikis not the case. The English
Wikipedia is not the norm that should be followed everywhere.
Romaine
2015-10-29 21:20 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>om>:
This is where I disagree with you, Romaine. I do
believe my examples are
exactly right. We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
project when they create content on the project of their choice. We have a
hard enough time recruiting contributors to any of our projects now, and
pressuring them to work on other projects at the same time is not the path
to volunteer satisfaction.
Consider that the hypothetical editor you mention, who writes five articles
a day, may really not have any interest in adding to Wikidata, Wikisource,
Wikiquote, etc. Is there benefit in pressuring him to do so? Or is it
more likely that he'll stop contributing to the Wikidata backlog by not
creating the articles in the first place?
On many of the larger projects, and in fact on many of the smaller ones
too, only registered, logged-in users can create articles. "Logged in" is
not a reasonable filter. A preference to receive a reminder that Wikidata
is missing would work. But it should not automatically pop up whenever
someone creates an article, which is just as likely to annoy editors.
Risker/Anne
On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That is comparing it with wrong examples that are
not relevant here.
On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
interwikis existed.
And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
settings are possible.
At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added
to
Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two
days we have about 100 new
articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki,
and
a huge workload to get them added properly.
Romaine
2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
>
> This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
really
feel
comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to Commons
when they write an article. We don't expect people to include
definitions
in Wiktionary when they are using a word. We
don't expect people to be
adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote. For that
matter,
> we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
review
> on wikisource, or about images they add to
Commons, or quotes they add
to
> Wikiquote. So why would we set up any kind
of expectation that people
> would add "data" to Wikidata?
>
> I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly
put,
> isn't going to last more than an
hour...get these messages, and add
junk
> data to Wikidata. Wikidatians are working
hard to add referencing and
> improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't
be
adding to
their mountain of work unnecessarily.
Risker/Anne
On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> better
> > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> >
> > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are
not
> > added to Wikidata, even while often an
item about this subject
exists.
> > Users forget to add a newly created
article to Wikidata as there is
no
>
stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
the
> > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc)
in
> what
they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
first
> > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
better
if
> > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay
in
> > Wikipedia (or another project), without
having to go to Wikidata.
> >
> > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> properties
> > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> properties.
> >
> > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia
and
her
sister projects with Wikidata through this
workflow.
For this I created a Phabricator task at:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
Thanks!
Romaine
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