On one side it would be nice to pay equal rate for equal work, on the other
would be equal personal benefit for equal work. Then there is the economics
of getting value for money, and the politics of diversity. It is a tricky
issue.
Cheers,
P
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Of Nathan
Sent: 11 September 2020 14:10
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on
job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity
I'm sure it will vary considerably. Does that matter? When measuring
internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each
employee leads?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary
considerably.
Cheers,
Peter
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries
on
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Dan,
Shouldn't two candidates for the same position for the same company get
roughly the same salary, regardless of where they live?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:00 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) <djgwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San
Francisco
as of July
2018 [1] which means that, as a San Francisco based
organisation, the Foundation will undoubtedly not be doing this. To my
knowledge, this wasn't done by the Foundation before either, but we can
confidently state that it won't be done now.
There are some complexities in disclosing salary ranges for the
Foundation.
> One practice that can be used for encouraging diversity in candidate
> applications is to specify that a position is open to candidates with a
> wide range of experience and in all locations in the world, in which
case
the salary
range posted will be so large that it will basically be
meaningless. On the other hand, another good practice for encouraging
diversity is to source internally for senior positions, which opens up
more
> junior roles that can be sourced externally, in which case a salary
range
can be more
meaningful and helpful. It's hard to figure out what the
right
balance is.
Regardless, more public transparency in salary banding would be good to
see.
Dan
[1]:
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-
updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx
<https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local
-updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx>
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 10:44, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Good morning everyone!
There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at
least
salary ranges, on job ads.
An increasing body of evidence(2) shows that practices like not
disclosing
> expected pay, and requiring applicants to disclose their current
salary,
> is
> > harmful to equity in the workplace.
> >
> > Not disclosing salaries affects pay levels within the organisation -
> > because white men are usually relatively confident in negotiating
their
> salaries
upwards, so tend to end up with a better deal.
>
> It can also affect the diversity of candidates who apply. Candidates
who
have
stronger networks within the industry they're moving into (again,
more
commonly white men with privileged social and
educational backgrounds)
also
> have clear expectations because they are 'in the know' about industry
> norms, while people who don't, find the lack of salary information a
> barrier to application. (After all, why take the time and effort to
apply
for a job
when you have no idea how the likely pay compares to your
current
> employment?)
>
> I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never
> mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the range is
disclosed
to
applicants or not - some chapters I know do advertise a salary.
However,
> I'd urge all entities within the movement that hire staff to disclose
the
> > expected salary ranges for posts they are advertising, as part of
their
commitment to equality, diversity and inclusion.
Thanks for reading,
Chris
(1):
https://showthesalary.com/
(2): e.g. at
https://showthesalary.com/resources/
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