Hi Leo,
I think that this is a Google Translation product. But yes, it is in
such bad shape where even Chinese natives can barely read. But I
acknowledge the fact that the urgency and secrecy of the matter made
consulting external parties, to the extent, even contractors working for
WMF, impossible.
To Maggie,
May I ask if there is a certain number for the amount of users linked
with the unrecognized user group being warned? There is no request for the
list of users, just the number would be fine. The Wikipedia communities in
Hong Kong need to access the total damage dealt to the user group who had
persistently engaged in activities harassing the safety of Hong Kong Users.
Regards,
William Chan
On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 01:58, Leo Z <leo(a)asianmonth.wiki> wrote:
Hi Maggie,
Thanks for the prompt response. I do not know who those ‘native
speakers’ are, perhaps that’s just a way to avoid providing language
proficiency certificate. I do not know. Google translation might even do
better.
I am more than certain that this translation is not just faulty or
unsatisfactory, but terrible if not horrifying, disastrous, or outright
shocking for an acclaimed international organization. The issue for this
specific translation is not with 'movement-specific' terms, but a
significant lack of elementary understanding regarding the fundamental
grammatical structure of the Chinese language. I will refrain from listing
specific examples here (there are plenty), but those mistakes are
hilarious, if not outright absurd. Whoever translated this text might
barely pass an AP Chinese exam.
Please consult a professor in Chinese language at Berkeley or CCSF or
even just a language school, or perhaps consult someone from ChinaSF, maybe
even a Chinese speaking professional from HSBC or wherever. There are
plenty, if you feel it’s necessary. I’m more than certain they will offer
similar opinions.
Sincere hope for a better translation,
Leo
On Sep 14, 2021, 1:17 AM +0800, Maggie Dennis <mdennis(a)wikimedia.org>rg>,
wrote:
Hello, all.
A few responses.
First, Nathan and William, we will share as much information as we can,
but will need to be careful about what we say about the individuals
involved for legal and safety reasons. This is indeed related to increasing
resilience across Wikipedias and not at all specifically for ZhWP. I do
think it's important for us to offer some additional support there, given
the current situation, but we are looking at increasing safety everywhere.
Leo, thank you for your feedback on the translation, which was provided
by native Chinese speakers. Since I myself am completely unable to read
Chinese, I don't know the nature of the issue, but I do know that in the
past we have had some issues with movement-specific terms being translated.
I recall once when "free in speech" was mistranslated as "free as in
beer"
- which we always deliberately try to avoid. :)
Best,
Maggie
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:45 PM Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Maggie,
>
> Thank you for taking these very difficult actions to protect both the
> members of our community as well as the values that it seeks to uphold. I
> also appreciate the degree of transparency provided and hope that more
> information will be disclosed as it is appropriate. I imagine questions
> will be asked about how these individual accounts were selected for office
> actions and the contours of the risk both to the individuals behind these
> accounts and the wider community. Any information that the WMF is able to
> safely share will help all of us understand better what the threats are and
> how we may better support the movement's goals in jurisdictions where our
> values are not respected.
>
> Thank you again,
> Nathan
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