Thanks for the prompt response. I do not know who those ‘native speakers’ are, perhaps
that’s just a way to avoid providing language proficiency certificate. I do not know.
Google translation might even do better.
I am more than certain that this translation is not just faulty or unsatisfactory, but
terrible if not horrifying, disastrous, or outright shocking for an acclaimed
international organization. The issue for this specific translation is not with
'movement-specific' terms, but a significant lack of elementary understanding
regarding the fundamental grammatical structure of the Chinese language. I will refrain
from listing specific examples here (there are plenty), but those mistakes are hilarious,
if not outright absurd. Whoever translated this text might barely pass an AP Chinese
Please consult a professor in Chinese language at Berkeley or CCSF or even just a language
school, or perhaps consult someone from ChinaSF, maybe even a Chinese speaking
professional from HSBC or wherever. There are plenty, if you feel it’s necessary. I’m more
than certain they will offer similar opinions.
Sincere hope for a better translation,
On Sep 14, 2021, 1:17 AM +0800, Maggie Dennis <mdennis(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, wrote:
A few responses.
First, Nathan and William, we will share as much information as we can, but will need to
be careful about what we say about the individuals involved for legal and safety reasons.
This is indeed related to increasing resilience across Wikipedias and not at all
specifically for ZhWP. I do think it's important for us to offer some additional
support there, given the current situation, but we are looking at increasing safety
Leo, thank you for your feedback on the translation, which was provided by native Chinese
speakers. Since I myself am completely unable to read Chinese, I don't know the nature
of the issue, but I do know that in the past we have had some issues with
movement-specific terms being translated. I recall once when "free in speech"
was mistranslated as "free as in beer" - which we always deliberately try to
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:45 PM Nathan
> Thank you for taking these very difficult actions to protect both the members of our
community as well as the values that it seeks to uphold. I also appreciate the degree of
transparency provided and hope that more information will be disclosed as it is
appropriate. I imagine questions will be asked about how these individual accounts were
selected for office actions and the contours of the risk both to the individuals behind
these accounts and the wider community. Any information that the WMF is able to safely
share will help all of us understand better what the threats are and how we may better
support the movement's goals in jurisdictions where our values are not respected.
> Thank you again,
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