Dear all,
As a member - and former chair - of Wikimedia France, this kind of message
really hurts my feelings and I still wonder why they can be posted on
international mailing lists.
We are supposed to act as responsible adults and work together so that the
chapters can manage projects... and I keep thinking we are pretty good at
it.
I don't want to read "shame", "false statement", "use Louise
passing",
"uncollaborative way".
Both because it's a very agressive way to talk to human beings, because
it's misleading people about what's going on, and because it's simply not
true.
A few French wkipedians are not happy with the board and some of the
employees. They are about 25-30% of Wikimedia France members and asked for
a General Meeting - which will take place in September.
Some of their concerns can be understood, but some of those wikipedians
began to accuse the board of squandering money without any ground for it
(there have been two audits within the past few years and all the
accounts/expenses are audited yearly, published and commented to the
members), to go and see former employee's bosses to stalk them, to spread
rumours on their sexuality, to report members of the board to their own
boss etc. This is going mad. Really mad.
This is not "the community", Pierre-Selim, I'm sorry.
This is a few people, for various reasons, usualy very personal and very
bad ones. And those people refuse to acknowledge reality, even when the
board explains everything, even when lawyers explains what can and cannot
be done within a chapter.
I'm really worried about the behaviour of those people, and the future of
Wikimedia France - since the harassment could lead to prosecution from
employees.
Best,
Rémi
From: Pierre-Selim
<pierre-selim(a)huard.info>
Date: 2 August 2017 at 20:09
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
The passing of Louise is really sad :(
On the other fronts, Edouard it feels like you're not telling things the
way
they really are.
"The board acknowledge..." means the board has been forced to a new AGM
by
25%
of the member. Our bylaws dictate that.
The board has published a shameful "Right of reply" [1], full of
inexact/false
statements that are on the same line than the email sent by the board
on July 11th (and shared here by Chris [2]).
This Right of reply even "use" Louise passing ... For shame!
In an uncollaborative way, the board has not listen to the
community/member
for
the agenda which forces the members to a new vote [3] to add items to the
agenda
... during the summer ... and Wikimania.
I hope the board will have again to "Acknowlege" the voice of the
community,
but I wish we did not had to go this way.
I am truly ashamed of this board,
[1]
https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/droitderep
onse.html
[2]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-July/
088008.html
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/
Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l'ordre_du_jour
2017-07-26 17:56 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>om>:
Yes, I figured this out, thanks. Now copyediting.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Natacha Rault <n.rault(a)me.com> wrote:
probably me...
>
>> Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com> a
>>
> écrit
:
>
>> Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by
>>
> someone
>
>> I can not recognize from the username.
>>
>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher <
>>
> kmaher(a)wikimedia.org
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,
>>>
>>> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau.
>>>
>> While I
did
>
>> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for
>>>
>> the
> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and
>>>
>> the
relationship between technology and culture. I
suspect we would have
>>>
>> gotten
>
>> along well.
>>>
>>> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are
>>>
>> grateful
> for
>
>> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have
>>>
>> benefited
>
>> greatly from her continued advocacy.
>>>
>>> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
>>> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us.
>>>
>> However,
>
>> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who
>>>
>> have
> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion
>>>
>> and
> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or
>>>
>> challenges.
>
>> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize
>>>
>> her
> passing.
>>>
>>> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in
>>>
>> our
thoughts and that the community has our
condolences.
>>>
>>> Katherine
>>>
>>> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life
>>>
>> from
her
>
>> article on French Wikipedia:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>
>> Louise_Merzeau
>
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