And of course this is a huge usability problem. Imagine I'm travelling in the Netherlands and use a public computer in an Internet cafe. I don't have an account on TranslateWiki, the auto language select is actually working (it doesn't appear to be working right now), and I don't speak a word of Dutch. There is no reason to not have a language selector like on Commons, or some kind of list or bar somewhere on the mainpage to let users switch.
2011/9/29 Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com
M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change it to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language).
As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
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On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also,
in
response to Gerard's comment: "Obviously, you can select any language you like." - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a
button
or anything like that...
2011/9/29 Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com
*Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the
browser
language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good
match.
No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English
version
of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my
language
In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos
a
fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.*
On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the
browser
language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good
match.
Thanks, GerardM
2011/9/28 M. Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who
don't
speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't
speak
English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/to
a
page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project.
2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
However,
it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of
the
translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM
2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.neko@gmail.com
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form
which
allows
> easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
unfortunately
> making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy
was
applied. > > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.neko@gmail.com > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my
commons
> > userpage. Consider something like > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style
issues
and
> > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate
but
> expecting > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is
just
too
> much. > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to
keep
these > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations.
For
example
we > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a
wikimania
each > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
templated
on > > their own. > > > > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > > > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium monomium@gmail.com > > > >> Might make sense. > >> > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.neko@gmail.com > >> > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because
it
appears
> to > >> be > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less
outdated
and
> often > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template
structure
where
> style > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only
deal
with
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