+1 to Subhashish's points of view.
I have another point about the nomenclature. How can three Wikimedians from
just one country, Bangladesh in this case, get to form a group that by its
very nomenclature represents a complete region, which includes a very large
number of communities, without any engagement with, consensus of, and
participation of all these communities?
The chosen name itself gives the impression that the group is to fulfill
the role of umbrella organisation over all the communities of Asia and
Pacific. Nomenclature matters.
So, while three individual Wikimedians are welcome to start a user group,
they are not the representative of these communities and any user group
that they set up if recognised by the Aff Comm should be appropriately
named.
Should a user group for Asia Pacific be created, then it should be with the
express participation of all the communities of the Asia Pacific region.
User:AshLin (en:WP)
On Sun, 28 May, 2023, 12:56 am Subhashish, <psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I want to write with the spirit that I respect the
co-founders of the
Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (WAPAC) as individual volunteer
fellow Wikimedians. Still, I strongly disagree with creating this user
group. It seems like forming a new user group where three co-founders have
some conflict with Wikimedia Bangladesh. But instead of finding ways to
resolve those conflicts, they, all from Bangladesh, started a parallel user
group and called it Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group.
For context, the Asia-Pacific region includes over 45 economies and is
home to 60% of the world's population that speaks over 2,000 languages. I
highly doubt that forming a user group due to unsolved interpersonal
conflicts is a good idea. There is, of course, a lack of conversations with
communities of this large region and a lack of regional representation. Not
to mention, ESEAP, the organiser of Wikimania this year, had no clue. There
are many ways to solve interpersonal conflicts, but creating a user group
without a real reason is not one.
Subhashish
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Iftekhar Hossain Iftee <
i.h.iftee71(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Note: my last mail was caught in moderation
queue, I sent it before
Aishik's last mail but it got approved after his mail.
Iftee
On Sat, May 27, 2023, 7:41 PM Aaqib Anjum Aafi <AaqibAnjumAafi(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I am not sure where is the disappointing stuff in
this thread. You are
free to start a usergroup and work under an umbrella which adds more to the
diversity of the movement, and I suppose it should, in your case, given
you plenty of valuable contributions. However, calling helpful and friendly
suggestions of others on certain errors that you made as "something
unconstructive" is just being dishonest. Most of the comments on this
thread are telling you constructively to engage with the larger community,
for instance, with regards to the name of the usergroup. I run a thematic
usergroup and I had to go through months of AffCom review: this thing
overlaps this thing and so on, even though I had not used any such name or
overlapped seriously with any specific community. However, the wider
community groups in India where consulted by AffCom before they approved my
usergroup application.
The reason of me telling this to you is that most of the people
commenting here are sharing their experiences and telling you what should
be the correct step. You should invite all the communities that are in the
region with which the name overlaps and have their comments heard, and if
that doesn't reach any conclusion, you can opt for a different name that
could perhaps serve your ideas and goals better.
I hope this makes some sense.
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