Well... Not that teaching languages—big or small—is bad, but wouldn't we be
losing focus if we got into it?
Wikibooks and Wikiversity can theoretically be places for teaching. Are
they good at it? Probably not. Should they be made better? Maybe.
בתאריך 27 בפבר׳ 2018 19:52, "Jean-Philippe Béland" <jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca>
כתב:
Amir,
I agree with everything you said, especially that languages are knowledge
in themselves, but I must say that Wikimedia is not doing much in an effort
to teach languages to people. Why isn't there more effort at the WMF or as
a movement to try to develop a platform to teach languages?
Jean-Philippe Béland
Vice President and Programs Coordinator, Wikimedia Canada
Coordinator, Wikimedians of North American Indigenous Languages User Group
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Dear all
To confirm, the Affiliations Committee did seek Wikimedia UK's perspective
on the creation of *Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru*. Whilst the
user group will be a separate entity to Wikimedia UK, and not a subsidiary
as such, we are anticipating a lot of joint working and are currently
developing a Memorandum of Understanding to clarify the relationship and to
guide our work together. Robin Owain will continue to be employed full time
to develop and manage Wikimedia UK’s programme in Wales, working with
external partners and the community to help deliver our strategy with a
focus on Wales and the Welsh language. As part of this role he will work
closely with the User Group as to support and develop the Wikimedia
community in Wales, facilitating and delivering partnership events and
activities and acting as the key contact point between the User Group and
the Wikimedia UK Chapter.
Of course, this is a new situation for us so we will continue to reflect on
and review what's working, and any issues that arise, over the next year.
Best wishes
Lucy
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> 1. Re: Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru
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> 2. Re: Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Fæ)
> 3. Re: Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru
> (Kirill Lokshin)
> 4. Re: Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Fæ)
> 5. Re: Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru
> (Jean-Philippe Béland)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:03:53 -0600
> From: Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned
> Wicimedia Cymru
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>
> Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be interpreted as
> legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that matter).
>
> Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
> should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Support the request that AffCom share their understanding of the scope
> > and authority of the announced User Group.
> >
> > From the wording of "represent Wikimedia UK in Wales"[1], the UG is
> > not independent of WMUK and consequently acts as a Chapter subsidiary.
> > As far as I am aware, there is no other regional based UG which does
> > this.
> >
> > As a corollary, the representation has legal implications for UK
> > Charity. WMUK must have both responsibility and the authority to
> > monitor and control how they are represented by the UG. It is not
> > clear from the meta web page or the community vote how this will work,
> > apart from the implicit assumption that funding paid to UG projects is
> > effectively managed as a WMUK continuing programme. Presumably the UG
> > will not be requesting funds from the WMF or via the FDC process
> > separate from WMUK's FDC procedure.
> >
> > The original vote at the Welsh Wikipedia compared the aims to that of
> > the Basque UG.[2] However based on their scope, the Basque UG does not
> > officially represent any other affiliate or Chapter.
> >
> > Links
> > 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
> > 2. https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicipedia:Sefydlu_Gr%C5%B5p_
> > Defnyddwyr_Wicimedia
> >
> > On 19 March 2018 at 00:10, Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Kirill!
> > >
> > > It would be really helpful to outline these kind of decisions with
> > > arguments/deliberations that AffCom decided to follow, considering that
> > > this sets a precedence in the worldwide community. For example, UG
> Wales
> > > states that they "cooperate with and represent Wikimedia UK in Wales" -
> > > does this mean that we are now accepting UGs within chapters? Is this
> UG
> > > supposed to be able to apply for grants, despite its overlap with WMUK?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Philip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11 March 2018 at 15:44, Shlomi Fish <shlomif(a)shlomifish.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:32:34 -0400
> > >> Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi everyone!
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> > recognized
> > >> > Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Wikimedia Community User
> > Group
> > >> > Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote the
> > >> > Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of Wikimedia
> > >> > projects and content in the Welsh language.
> > >> >
> > >> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> congratulations!
> > >>
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Kirill Lokshin
> > >> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_
> > Group_Wales
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:29:15 +0000
> From: Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned
> Wicimedia Cymru
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>
> On 20 March 2018 at 15:03, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be interpreted as
> > legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that matter).
>
> Hi Kirill,
>
> In the spirit of an open and transparent process, could you please
> provide a link to the scope of the new approved User Group is
> published, as the one on Meta is not the one that AffCom reviewed with
> the UG application?
>
> > Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
> > should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.
>
> This brush-off is surprising, with the clear implication that AffCom
> has not approached WMUK with any question. I was mistaken in believing
> that AffCom had a responsibility to consider obvious legal
> implications, before approving a User Group that is granted the right
> to use official logos and the name "Wikipedia" and its language
> variants when advertising their events. It is disappointing to see
> that AffCom does not see their official process as needing to address
> these areas, which may well be a barrier to direct funding, legal
> recognition or represent a risk to other named pre-existing Affiliates
> within the scope of the proposed new UG.
>
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> Thanks,
> Fae, volunteer
> --
> faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Support the request that AffCom share their understanding of the scope
> >> and authority of the announced User Group.
> >>
> >> From the wording of "represent Wikimedia UK in Wales"[1], the UG is
> >> not independent of WMUK and consequently acts as a Chapter subsidiary.
> >> As far as I am aware, there is no other regional based UG which does
> >> this.
> >>
> >> As a corollary, the representation has legal implications for UK
> >> Charity. WMUK must have both responsibility and the authority to
> >> monitor and control how they are represented by the UG. It is not
> >> clear from the meta web page or the community vote how this will work,
> >> apart from the implicit assumption that funding paid to UG projects is
> >> effectively managed as a WMUK continuing programme. Presumably the UG
> >> will not be requesting funds from the WMF or via the FDC process
> >> separate from WMUK's FDC procedure.
> >>
> >> The original vote at the Welsh Wikipedia compared the aims to that of
> >> the Basque UG.[2] However based on their scope, the Basque UG does not
> >> officially represent any other affiliate or Chapter.
> >>
> >> Links
> >> 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
> >> 2. https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicipedia:Sefydlu_Gr%C5%B5p_
> >> Defnyddwyr_Wicimedia
> >>
> >> On 19 March 2018 at 00:10, Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi Kirill!
> >> >
> >> > It would be really helpful to outline these kind of decisions with
> >> > arguments/deliberations that AffCom decided to follow, considering
> that
> >> > this sets a precedence in the worldwide community. For example, UG
> Wales
> >> > states that they "cooperate with and represent Wikimedia UK in Wales"
> -
> >> > does this mean that we are now accepting UGs within chapters? Is this
> UG
> >> > supposed to be able to apply for grants, despite its overlap with
> WMUK?
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Philip
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 11 March 2018 at 15:44, Shlomi Fish <shlomif(a)shlomifish.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:32:34 -0400
> >> >> Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi everyone!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> >> recognized
> >> >> > Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Wikimedia Community User
> >> Group
> >> >> > Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote the
> >> >> > Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of
> Wikimedia
> >> >> > projects and content in the Welsh language.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user
> group!
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> congratulations!
> >> >>
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Kirill Lokshin
> >> >> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_
> >> Group_Wales
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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> unsubscribe>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/
> >> >> My Favourite FOSS - http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/favourite/
> >> >>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:36:46 -0600
> From: Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned
> Wicimedia Cymru
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>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 20 March 2018 at 15:03, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be interpreted
> as
> > > legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that
> matter).
> >
> > Hi Kirill,
> >
> > In the spirit of an open and transparent process, could you please
> > provide a link to the scope of the new approved User Group is
> > published, as the one on Meta is not the one that AffCom reviewed with
> > the UG application?
> >
>
> The Affiliations Committee publishes all of our application review and
> approval resolutions on Meta; the one for the group in question can be
> found at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
> Resolutions/Recognition_Grŵp_Defnyddwyr_Cymuned_Wicimedia_Cymru
> .
>
>
> > > Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
> > > should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.
> >
> > This brush-off is surprising, with the clear implication that AffCom
> > has not approached WMUK with any question. I was mistaken in believing
> > that AffCom had a responsibility to consider obvious legal
> > implications, before approving a User Group that is granted the right
> > to use official logos and the name "Wikipedia" and its language
> > variants when advertising their events. It is disappointing to see
> > that AffCom does not see their official process as needing to address
> > these areas, which may well be a barrier to direct funding, legal
> > recognition or represent a risk to other named pre-existing Affiliates
> > within the scope of the proposed new UG.
> >
>
> Your implication is entirely incorrect; AffCom consulted with -- and
> received an endorsement from -- Wikimedia UK prior to approving the user
> group. However, we are neither experts in UK charity law nor empowered to
> speak on behalf of Wikimedia UK; consequently, any questions regarding the
> chapter's legal position should be posed to the chapter, not to us.
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:09:21 +0000
> From: Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned
> Wicimedia Cymru
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>
> On 20 March 2018 at 15:36, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 20 March 2018 at 15:03, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be
> interpreted as
> >> > legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that
> matter).
> >>
> >> Hi Kirill,
> >>
> >> In the spirit of an open and transparent process, could you please
> >> provide a link to the scope of the new approved User Group is
> >> published, as the one on Meta is not the one that AffCom reviewed with
> >> the UG application?
> >>
> >
> > The Affiliations Committee publishes all of our application review and
> > approval resolutions on Meta; the one for the group in question can be
> > found at
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
> Resolutions/Recognition_Grŵp_Defnyddwyr_Cymuned_Wicimedia_Cymru
>
> Thanks for the link, that's great. It would be super to include a link
> to the relevant resolution when making announcements.
>
> Unfortunately your emails seem in conflict with the resolution. The
> statement by the Affiliations Committee links to the meta page to
> define the reviewed scope, the words used are "The scope of the group,
> which can be found on their meta page" and then gives a link to the
> same page I used previously and read that the User Group represents
> WMUK. In fact there are no other links to any other document that can
> be interpreted as "officially" publishing the scope of the new user
> group.
>
> Consequently there is no ambiguity that the AffCom approval was
> literally for a regional User Group with a stated objective to
> represent the national Chapter. The exact words are "Cooperate with
> and represent Wikimedia UK in Wales".
>
> It is worth noting that the italicized sentence in the very brief
> summary appears to be intended to be a direct quote from the meta
> page, however it is a rephrasing which turns the sentence into an
> objective for the new User Group when the phrasing on the original
> page is a description of members (i.e. not the group itself). It is
> not stated whether the interpreted objective was part of the UG
> application, or someone else's interpretation of the published scope.
> This seems misleading unless the meta page is rephrased to include the
> statement of scope as explicitly that. This may seem a fine point, but
> there exact words that officially define a new Affiliate or User Group
> seem worth getting precise so everyone understands what has been
> authorized.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> >
> >
> >> > Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
> >> > should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.
> >>
> >> This brush-off is surprising, with the clear implication that AffCom
> >> has not approached WMUK with any question. I was mistaken in believing
> >> that AffCom had a responsibility to consider obvious legal
> >> implications, before approving a User Group that is granted the right
> >> to use official logos and the name "Wikipedia" and its language
> >> variants when advertising their events. It is disappointing to see
> >> that AffCom does not see their official process as needing to address
> >> these areas, which may well be a barrier to direct funding, legal
> >> recognition or represent a risk to other named pre-existing Affiliates
> >> within the scope of the proposed new UG.
> >>
> >
> > Your implication is entirely incorrect; AffCom consulted with -- and
> > received an endorsement from -- Wikimedia UK prior to approving the user
> > group. However, we are neither experts in UK charity law nor empowered
> to
> > speak on behalf of Wikimedia UK; consequently, any questions regarding
> the
> > chapter's legal position should be posed to the chapter, not to us.
>
> For the sake of openness and transparency, can you provide a link to
> where the endorsement and any questions raised are published? It is
> not included with the AffCom resolution.
>
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:12:54 +0000
> From: Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned
> Wicimedia Cymru
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> I agree with Kirill, from the WMF point of view, as long as the chapter is
> informed and endorsed the creation of a user group within its covered
> territory, the WMF did its due diligence. After that, it is the
> responsibility of the chapter to do its homework about the local legal
> framework before endorsing the creation of the user group.
>
> That being said, I would also be interested in hearing from Wikimedia UK's
> perspective on this new user group and the reasoning behind it.
>
> Jean-Philippe Béland
> Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> Coordinator, Wikimedians of North American Indigenous Languages User Group
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:37 AM Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 20 March 2018 at 15:03, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be
> interpreted
> > as
> > > > legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that
> > matter).
> > >
> > > Hi Kirill,
> > >
> > > In the spirit of an open and transparent process, could you please
> > > provide a link to the scope of the new approved User Group is
> > > published, as the one on Meta is not the one that AffCom reviewed with
> > > the UG application?
> > >
> >
> > The Affiliations Committee publishes all of our application review and
> > approval resolutions on Meta; the one for the group in question can be
> > found at
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
> Resolutions/Recognition_Grŵp_Defnyddwyr_Cymuned_Wicimedia_Cymru
> > .
> >
> >
> > > > Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
> > > > should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.
> > >
> > > This brush-off is surprising, with the clear implication that AffCom
> > > has not approached WMUK with any question. I was mistaken in believing
> > > that AffCom had a responsibility to consider obvious legal
> > > implications, before approving a User Group that is granted the right
> > > to use official logos and the name "Wikipedia" and its language
> > > variants when advertising their events. It is disappointing to see
> > > that AffCom does not see their official process as needing to address
> > > these areas, which may well be a barrier to direct funding, legal
> > > recognition or represent a risk to other named pre-existing Affiliates
> > > within the scope of the proposed new UG.
> > >
> >
> > Your implication is entirely incorrect; AffCom consulted with -- and
> > received an endorsement from -- Wikimedia UK prior to approving the user
> > group. However, we are neither experts in UK charity law nor empowered
> to
> > speak on behalf of Wikimedia UK; consequently, any questions regarding
> the
> > chapter's legal position should be posed to the chapter, not to us.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Forwarding, since I screwed up trying to send it to this list the first
time.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjorsch(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:50 PM
Subject: Unblocking 79 IPs blocked as open proxies 12 years ago (T189840)
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, MediaWiki
announcements and site admin list <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
In 2005–2006 a sysadmin blocked 79 IP addresses on all wikis as being
automatically-detected open proxies, without recording them in the block
log or attributing the block to any user account. These incomplete records
are now causing errors when MediaWiki tries to access them in various
places, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189840.
Since these are all over 12 years old, it seems reasonably likely that many
of these are no longer open proxies. Rather than trying to fix the
incomplete records, I'm just going to remove them.
Any existing blocks of these IPs that are not causing errors will not be
removed. At first glance this seems relevant mainly to enwiki, where only 5
of the IPs have incomplete records. 21 are currently blocked there with
complete records (19 since 2005 or earlier), and the other 53 are not
currently blocked there.
The list of IPs is at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P6876 in case
anyone wants to review them for potential reblocking.
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Hi Everyone,
The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this Wednesday, March 21,
2018 at 11:30 AM (PDT) 18:30 UTC.
YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACevHs0sMMw
As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. And,
you can watch our past research showcases here
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase#March_2018>.
Over the past years, the Research team at Wikimedia Foundation and some of
our formal collaborators have been focused on doing research and building
technologies that can help editors across Wikimedia languages find tasks
for contributions. While the early effort was heavily focused on article
recommendation for creation (horizontal expansion), in 2016 we started a
new direction of research with a focus on vertical expansion of Wikipedia
articles. The two talks in the March 2018 Research Showcase will share some
of what we have learned from this research. More specifically, we will talk
about Wikipedia category network as a great signal for creating
templates/structures for Wikipedia articles as well as ongoing research to
learn what content (sections) are missing from Wikipedia across its many
languages. The two corresponding abstracts with more details are below.
Join us! :)
Using Wikipedia categories for research: opportunities, challenges, and
solutionsBy *Tiziano Piccardi, EPFL*The category network in Wikipedia is
used by editors as a way to label articles and organize them in a
hierarchical structure. This manually created and curated network of 1.6
million nodes in English Wikipedia generated by arranging the categories in
a child-parent relation (i.e., Scientists-People, Cities-Human Settlement)
allows researchers to infer valuable relations between concepts. A clean
structure in this format would be a valuable resource for a variety of
tools and application including automatic reasoning tools. Unfortunately,
Wikipedia category network contains some "noise" since in many cases the
association as subcategory does not define an is-a relation (Scientists
is-a People vs. Billionaires is-a Wealth). Inspired to develop a model for
recommending sections to be added to the already existing Wikipedia
articles, we developed a method to clean this network and to keep only the
categories that have a high chance to be associated with their children by
an is-a relation. The strategy is based on the concept of "pure"
categories, and the algorithm uses the types of the attached articles to
determine how homogenous the category is. The approach does not rely on any
linguistic feature and therefore is suitable for all Wikipedia languages.
In this talk, we will discuss the high-level overview of the algorithm and
some of the possible applications for the generated network beyond article
section recommendations.
Beyond Automatic Translation: Aligning Wikipedia sections across multiple
languagesBy *Diego Saez-Trumper*Sections are the building blocks of
Wikipedia articles. For editors, they can be used as an entry point for
creating and expanding articles. For readers, they enhance readability of
Wikipedia content. In this talk, we present an ongoing research to align
article sections across Wikipedia languages. We show how the available
technology for automatic translations are not good enough for translating
section titles. We then show a complementary approach for section
alignment, using Wikidata and cross-lingual word embeddings. We will
present some of the use-cases of a methodology for aligning sections across
languages, including improved section recommendation, especially in medium
to smaller size languages where the language itself may not contain enough
signal about the structure of the articles and signals can be inferred from
other larger Wikipedia languages.
Sarah R. Rodlund
Senior Project Coordinator-Product & Technology, Wikimedia Foundation
srodlund(a)wikimedia.org
Hi everyone!
I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Wikimedia Community User Group
Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote the
Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of Wikimedia
projects and content in the Welsh language.
Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
One of the objectives of the group is to "cooperate with and represent
Wikimedia UK in Wales". This is not the same as "We legally represent
Wikimedia UK in Wales". User groups does not legally represent the WMF and
or any chapter. If a group claim they represent a chapter in a state or
district, AffCom may ask for clarification from the group representatives.
If the response is that "we do not legally represent the chapter ", AffCom
will have no choice than to approve their application if they meet the
basic requirements for recognition.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Mar 20, 2018 4:04 PM, "Kirill Lokshin" <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Descriptions of user group activities on Meta shouldn't be interpreted as
legal documents under UK law (or any other legal code, for that matter).
Any questions regarding potential legal implications for Wikimedia UK
should, of course, be directed to the chapter itself.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Support the request that AffCom share their understanding of the scope
> and authority of the announced User Group.
>
> From the wording of "represent Wikimedia UK in Wales"[1], the UG is
> not independent of WMUK and consequently acts as a Chapter subsidiary.
> As far as I am aware, there is no other regional based UG which does
> this.
>
> As a corollary, the representation has legal implications for UK
> Charity. WMUK must have both responsibility and the authority to
> monitor and control how they are represented by the UG. It is not
> clear from the meta web page or the community vote how this will work,
> apart from the implicit assumption that funding paid to UG projects is
> effectively managed as a WMUK continuing programme. Presumably the UG
> will not be requesting funds from the WMF or via the FDC process
> separate from WMUK's FDC procedure.
>
> The original vote at the Welsh Wikipedia compared the aims to that of
> the Basque UG.[2] However based on their scope, the Basque UG does not
> officially represent any other affiliate or Chapter.
>
> Links
> 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
> 2. https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicipedia:Sefydlu_Gr%C5%B5p_
> Defnyddwyr_Wicimedia
>
> On 19 March 2018 at 00:10, Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Kirill!
> >
> > It would be really helpful to outline these kind of decisions with
> > arguments/deliberations that AffCom decided to follow, considering that
> > this sets a precedence in the worldwide community. For example, UG Wales
> > states that they "cooperate with and represent Wikimedia UK in Wales" -
> > does this mean that we are now accepting UGs within chapters? Is this UG
> > supposed to be able to apply for grants, despite its overlap with WMUK?
> >
> > Best,
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11 March 2018 at 15:44, Shlomi Fish <shlomif(a)shlomifish.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:32:34 -0400
> >> Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi everyone!
> >> >
> >> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> recognized
> >> > Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Wikimedia Community User
> Group
> >> > Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote the
> >> > Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of Wikimedia
> >> > projects and content in the Welsh language.
> >> >
> >> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >> >
> >>
> >> congratulations!
> >>
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Kirill Lokshin
> >> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >> >
> >> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_
> Group_Wales
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I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
companies using our information without complying with the license
terms:
https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_apple_facebook_and_goog…
One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
them.
Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.
Best regards,
Jim
Hello,
I am Adele Vrana, Director of Strategic Partnerships at the Foundation.
We have contacts at Amazon and will seek to clarify the questions raised on
this thread. I will make sure to circle back with you once we have an
update.
All the best,
Adele
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Simon Poole <simon(a)poole.ch> wrote:
>
>
> Am 27.07.2017 um 18:37 schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
> >
> > Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden ...
> >
> > I will not spend an hour trying to identify the exact article version
> that
> > matches Alexa's output in that video best, but it's safe to assume that
> > this inserted "Ed", too, came from Wikipedia, even though it had gone by
> > the time the video was uploaded to YouTube.
>
> The current (full) answer is
>
> 'Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden, the American computer professional former
> CIA employee, and government contractor who leaked classified
> information from the U.S. National Security Agency in 2013.'
>
> Now obviously there could be -lots- going on behind the scenes, for
> example long term caching of search results (difficult to believe that
> Bing would allow that if it is really from them, but who knows) and so on.
>
> Simon
>
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