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James Salsman

7 Mar 2018 7 Mar '18

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Joseph Seddon

8 Mar 8 Mar

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I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly Seddon On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman, <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large companies using our information without complying with the license terms: https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_apple_facebook_and_goog… One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from them. Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers. Best regards, Jim _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

James Salsman

6:56 a.m.

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I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly

How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors? Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such questions? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Archive/Repl… https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls#Design-blocked_tech…

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On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman, <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Joseph Seddon

8:51 a.m.

That's a completely different and unrelated issue to the thread YOU stated. Whilst I'm impressed at your willingness to hijack your own thread to refer to a completely unrelated topic after only one response, it is unsurprising and I'm personally bored of it. Please stick to the topic at hand or start a new thread. Regards Seddon On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly

How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors? Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such questions? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_ Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_ with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls# Design-blocked_technical_community_wish

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman, <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large > companies using our information without complying with the license > terms: > > > https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_

apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions

One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from them. Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers. Best regards, Jim _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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James Salsman

8:55 a.m.

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That's a completely different and unrelated issue to the thread YOU stated.

The issues share the commonalities of user friendliness/design and a Foundation decision on the question of presentation vs. editor attraction and retention.

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Please stick to the topic at hand or start a new thread.

Suppose we offer Cook, Bezos, Page, and Nadella the right to omit the date in return for $50 million each, half to the Endowment and half to the Foundation?

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I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly

How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors? Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such questions? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_ Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_ with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls# Design-blocked_technical_community_wish

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The Cunctator

20 Mar 20 Mar

7:56 a.m.

Large corporations should not be allowed to violate copyleft. If they are creating derivative products from Wikipedia -- which they are -- those derivative products should be released under CC-BY-SA. Google Knowledge Graph seems to be somewhat close, in that there is an API https://developers.google.com/knowledge-graph/ - but it is not CC-BY-SA. Wikipedia's license is *not* CC-BY. It is CC-BY-SA. On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:55 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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That's a completely different and unrelated issue to the thread YOU

stated. The issues share the commonalities of user friendliness/design and a Foundation decision on the question of presentation vs. editor attraction and retention.

Please stick to the topic at hand or start a new thread.

Suppose we offer Cook, Bezos, Page, and Nadella the right to omit the date in return for $50 million each, half to the Endowment and half to the Foundation?

> > I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly > > How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for > commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors? > > Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on > mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such > questions? > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_ > Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_ > with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls# > Design-blocked_technical_community_wish > > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman, <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large > >> companies using our information without complying with the license > >> terms: > >> > >> > >> https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_ > apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions > >> > >> One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine > >> Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date > >> of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from > >> them. > >> > >> Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new > >> editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/

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