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Requiring the interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing
by James Heilman 14 Sep '17

14 Sep '17

Have started a meta RfC regarding the above* here <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/interlinking_of_accoun…>.* This is to help address issues of impersonation of established Wikipedians by paid editors. Further thoughts appreciated. Best -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine

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Should we plan anything regarding Mozilla’s "Talk" open-source commenting platform
by mathieu stumpf guntz 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

Hi, I'm just discovering this blog post Mozilla and the Washington Post Are Reinventing Online Comments <https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/09/06/mozilla-washington-post-reinventin…> and thought it might worth talking about its relevancy for the Wikimedia movement. For those who didn't followed the 2017 Movement strategy <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction>, we now also have wikicomment <http://www.wikicomment.ut.ee/> as a solution related to this topic. Kind regards, mathieu

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Wikimania 2019
by Ellie Young 12 Sep '17

12 Sep '17

The Wikimania Steering Committee and Wikimedia Foundation are seeking expressions of interest from interested parties for hosting Wikimania in 2019. Please see the following for more information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2019 If you are interested in discussing the possibilities and working with the WMF Events Manager in preparing a proposal to host and organize Wikimania 2019, please contact eyoung(a)wikimedia.org by October 15th. Also, if you know of an individual or group that we should approach about hosting, we encourage nominations as well. The Steering Committee and WMF expect to make a decision by early 2018. Thanks, Ellie -- Ellie Young Events Manager Wikimedia Foundation <eyoung(a)wikimedia.org>

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Banners for logged-in users (was:How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?)
by Strainu 12 Sep '17

12 Sep '17

Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally different. 2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon <jseddon(a)wikimedia.org>: > WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several years. While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in. Strainu > > Regards > Seddon > > > > On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote: > >> Hey Ori, >> >> I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed work >> well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations comes from >> logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite relevant >> for logged in users. >> >> Lodewijk >> >> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh <ori.livneh(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote: >> > >> > > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at >> > the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And >> > then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice / >> > gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page again, >> > or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to undo the >> > change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the page. >> > >> > >> > Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up >> > under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA >> > >> > >> > One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an article from >> > being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable expiry. Since >> > only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact on the >> > WMF's bottom line to be negligible. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?
by Michael Peel 11 Sep '17

11 Sep '17

This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice / gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page again, or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to undo the change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the page. I understand that this isn't intentional. Presumably there is a phabricator ticket about this. But how can we fix this - does this need more developer time, is this an external problem that we need someone else to fix, or is this a WONTFIX? Thanks, Mike

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Macedonia
by Kirill Lokshin 11 Sep '17

11 Sep '17

Hi Mārtiņš, That's correct; this is in reference to the original Wikimedia Macedonia. Regards, Kirill Lokshin Chair, Affiliations Committee On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mārtiņš Bruņenieks <martinsb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > I assume this is the original Wikimedia Macedonia Chapter and not the > Shared Knowledge User group which has been organizing all current > activities in Macedonia. > > Mārtiņš > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Samat <samat78(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Kirill, >> >> That's a really sad news. :( >> Thank you for letting us know about it. >> >> Best regards, >> Samat >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic >>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent >>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia >>> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set >>> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has >>> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement >>> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued >>> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the >>> Wikimedia movement. >>> >>> On February 13, 2017, Wikimedia Macedonia was notified that their access >>> to the Wikimedia chapter benefits was being suspended as a result of >>> long-standing non-compliance with reporting requirements, and informed of >>> the deadlines for returning to compliance in order to avoid >>> de-recognition. As Wikimedia Macedonia did not submit the required reports >>> by these deadlines, they were subsequently notified that they would no >>> longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their >>> Chapter Agreement on September 10, 2017. >>> >>> As always, if you have questions about what this means for the community >>> members in Wikimedia Macedonia’s geographic area or language scope, please >>> refer to the affiliate de-recognition FAQ (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>> ki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ) or contact the >>> Affiliations Committee directly. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Kirill Lokshin >>> Chair, Affiliations Committee >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Affiliates mailing list >>> Affiliates(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Affiliates mailing list >> Affiliates(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Affiliates mailing list > Affiliates(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates > >

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners for logged-in users (was:How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?)
by David Emrany 11 Sep '17

11 Sep '17

Hi lodewijk I've altered the subject line at your suggestion. The name of the case (and the opposite party) is equally well known to Wikimedia-Legal. The first decision in the case is online at the WIPO website, however, since it is still under litigation, I am not linking to it under the WP:OUTING policies, and it would be far better that whoever speaks for WMF links to it. I am categorically saying 1) In 2016, WMF's Asian fund-raising campaign in SAARC began 2 or 3 weeks before they started elsewhere, probably to coincide with the local festive season when people are receptive to giving. 2) The WMF banner ads for SAARC did not discrimnate between logged-in users and readers. 3) Perhaps WMF learned from all this and adapted it to their non-Asian ad banner / email solicitation campaigns which began from 29 Nov 2016 ?. 4) Perhaps you have an inherent COI in this case to suppress the questionable means by how WMF funds / endowments are raised, because you are on the consuming side ? If it is evidence you want, try this for intelligent hounding ? https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/wikipedias-new-email-campaign-is-a-master… http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/jimmy_wales_wikipedia_fundraising_p… PS: I would certainly like specific clarity from WMF on how much was paid in 2014-15 for legal services "to" Jonesday and how much was paid "through" Jonesday. warmly David On 9/11/17, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote: > hi david, > > as with your accusations regarding the spending, my question would be > whether > you have anything to substantiate it. Seddon was clear: it did not happen, > unless perhaps a human error in a minimal number of campaigns. If you have > that then please bring that up in a *separate* thead. > > you're going more and more off topic. I suggest that we return to the > question > at hand: the two stage loading problem. > > lodewijk > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, David Emrany <david.emrany(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Joseph >> >> Thanks for that link. >> >> *NB*: I hope that the list moderators shall not censor / block / unduly >> delay this important internal conversation we are having concerning WMF >> self-financing model. >> >> Since this concerns the WMF fund-raising drives of Nov-Dec 2016, I'm >> linking to the following messages >> >> 1. *[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 >> for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki* >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-May/084254.html> >> >> *"WMF's sheer wastage of donated money (incl. lunch >> money from Scottish schoolkids) on unnecessary litigation, I cite that >> the single most prominent case they defended in the period was >> apparently a domain name dispute (said to billed at US$ 317,490) in >> which the opposite party (a Wikipedian of long standing) who had only >> booked the domain name to prevent it from being snaffled by "cyber >> squatters" had immediately offered to donate it WMF free of cost >> before the case began. Had WMF accepted that voluntary and good faith >> donation offer, they would have also got back 75% of the filing fees >> (a not insubstantial amount). >> >> Dave"* >> >> >> 2. *Reply by Greg Varnum (WMF) on this mailing list* >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-May/084276.html> >> >> *"As for the question about why the Wikimedia Foundationspent $317,490 >> fighting "cybersquatters" that offeredto donate the domain in dispute: >> We’re not sure where this question comes from, as we haven’t dealt with a >> case that fits this description. We do not fight cybersquatters who offer >> to donate their domains (especially if they are community members),and, to >> date, we have not spent anything approachingthat much money on this type >> of case."* >> >> 3. *Your donation keeps Wikipedia and free knowledge thriving* >> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/11/29/wikimedia-foundation-annual-fundraise…> >> >> "Legal defense to preserve your right to access, share, and remix >> knowledge, including court battles won over Wikimedia content in Brazil >> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/09/14/rosanah-fienngo/>, Germany >> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/08/09/victory-germany-appeal-dismissed/>, >> France <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/06/20/france-legal-victory/>, and >> India." >> >> including unreplied comments on why the India court battles were not >> linked unlike the others >> So to sum up: >> >> 1. The WMF form 990 says US law firm "JonesDay" received US$ 1,742,916 >> for legal services in 2014-15 >> >> 2. WMF is unprepared to specifically inform the community how much of >> that was spent on fighting a specific "cyber-squatter" from India (my own >> sources at the time said US$ 300,000 was paid by WMF to JonesDay for this >> case, mainly billable hours for JD partner Carrie Kiedrowski). >> >> 3. WMF is unprepared to specifically inform the community whether or not >> this cyber squatter (who claims to be a community member since 2003) had >> straightaway offered to donate the domain name free of cost to the WMF >> and close the case, however, WMF rejected the offer and instead ran up huge >> legal bills which were financed by donations, and probably continues to >> do so since that case is still ongoing in India's legal system . >> >> 4. I distinctly recall that when I was in India in mid-November 2016, >> attending the Opendaylight Linux forum in Bengaluru and incidentally >> discussing there the progress of this legal case with the other party who >> was an attendee, I was bombarded with WMF donation banner-ads, as a >> logged-in user, which carried through till mid-December 2016 when I was >> at Sri Lanka and Kathmandu but which curiously stopped when I reached >> Austraila. >> >> 5. So, as a community member and contributor, I would like to know how >> every dollar raised by WMF is collected, and also spent thereafter. >> >> Warmly >> >> David >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joseph Seddon <josephseddon(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I would refer to my answer I gave on the forked thread relating to this >>> topic. >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-Septe >>> mber/088570.html >>> >>> Regards >>> Seddon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >> >> >

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Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Macedonia
by Kirill Lokshin 10 Sep '17

10 Sep '17

Hi everyone, Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement. On February 13, 2017, Wikimedia Macedonia was notified that their access to the Wikimedia chapter benefits was being suspended as a result of long-standing non-compliance with reporting requirements, and informed of the deadlines for returning to compliance in order to avoid de-recognition. As Wikimedia Macedonia did not submit the required reports by these deadlines, they were subsequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on September 10, 2017. As always, if you have questions about what this means for the community members in Wikimedia Macedonia’s geographic area or language scope, please refer to the affiliate de-recognition FAQ (https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ) or contact the Affiliations Committee directly. Regards, Kirill Lokshin Chair, Affiliations Committee

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language guides in your wiki?
by Amir E. Aharoni 10 Sep '17

10 Sep '17

Hi, (Cross-posting, because this can interest subscribers of several focused mailing lists. This doesn't need much discussion on the mailing lists, and the linked talk page can be used if any discussion is needed.) Many wikis in the Wikimedia world give editors suggestions about the correct usage of each respective language: orthography, register, punctuation, and so on. I started a page to list of such language guides: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_guides I added a bunch of links to Hebrew there because that's my home wiki. I also added a few pages that I could find for Catalan, Indonesian, Russian, and Bosnian. Please add your languages there! Surely there are dozens and dozens of missing links there. Before you ask: The linked page explains why Wikidata is not very convenient for maintaining such a list, but if you think that you can put this nicely in Wikidata, be bold. Thank you! Also thanks to whoever maintains the Wikipedia Indonesia Twitter account (@idwiki) for giving me the idea for starting this page! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Wikimedia Awards for the promotion of open knowledge in Israel
by Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 09 Sep '17

09 Sep '17

On 6 September, Wikimedia Israel, held an event to celebrate its tenth anniversary. Wikipedians, volunteers, partners, and donors gathered to celebrate the success they had all participated in making. During the event, the “*Wikimedia Awards for the promotion of open knowledge in Israel*” were handed out by Christophe Henner (Chairperson/WMF), Itzik Edri (Chairperson/WMIL) & Michal Lester (ED/WMIL). Four winners received the award for their significant contributions to promoting Wikimedia’s vision. These awards are the first given out by a Wikimedia affiliate for such a reason. *The winners of the awards are:* - *Israel Internet Association (ISOC-IL):* the association consistently supported our projects—starting from the first Wikipedia Academy in 2009, to hosting the 7th Wikimania in 2011, the Pikiwiki project (a database of free images of Israel), and many other initiatives. - *Haifa University*: the university is a leading academic institution with regards to Wikipedia writing assignments. The program they supported have paved the way for many other academic institutions to join. The collaboration began in 2011, and since then hundreds of Wikipedia articles have been written in dozens of courses. The initiators of the project are Dr. Ory Amitay and Hana Yariv, but so far 22 lecturers have participated in it. - *Former Minister of Education Rabbi Shai Piron*: during his term at the Ministry of Education, Rabbi Piron opened the door to WMIL and our extensive activity in the education system. The announcement of an official collaboration between a Ministry of education and Wikimedia was the first of its kind, anywhere in the world. Due to Piron’s recognition of the importance of integrating Wikipedia in the education system, 1,200 K-12 teachers have received training on Wikipedia editing basics. Furthermore, supported by Piron, the high school program where students write Wikipedia articles has expanded. The program is still active and forms a central part of our activity. - *Oren Helman, former director of the Government Press Office*: as director of the GPO, Helman assisted in promoting an amendment to copyright law, by which state photographs were released to free, non-commercial use, thereby exempting the public from paying for usage of GPO photos. Helman’s work to release state materials is unique in Israel. Together with former ministers Michael Eitan and Meir Sheetrit, Mr. Helman heralded a change in the state of Israel’s attitude toward open content. In ten years, with the support of those and many others who believe in Wikimedia’s vision, we were able to accomplish a lot together. Through the Wikipedia Education Program in the past few years, students in high-schools and academic institutions have written more than 1,500 Wikipedia articles. Several thousand students learned the basics of editing Wikipedia and nearly 1,200 teachers have received training on using Wikipedia as a teaching tool. The success of Wikipedia Education Program in Israel expanded to Arab-speaking schools in Israel by the end of 2016. Following a three-year campaign, in which Wikimedia Israel was calling for an amendment to copyright laws, the government of Israel made a precedent-setting decision to release all the photographs on government websites under Creative Commons licenses. The law amendment was nicknamed the ‘Wikipedia law’. In 2011, we hosted the seventh Wikimania in Haifa, where more than 700 of the movement enthusiasts from 56 countries attended. Last year, the International Wikimedia Hackathon was held in Jerusalem, with 130 developers from 17 countries participating. Hosting two international events like Wikimania and the Wikimedia hackathon was a big success for the movement in Israel and we are glad the we helped this success to come true. In Wikimedia Israel, we look forward to further success in promoting open knowledge in Israel. You can read & share the blog post: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/09/08/digest-israel-macedonia/ *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!

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