Dear All,
I am forwarding the below mail on behalf of a Malayalam wikipedian who is
very active in Wikimedia Commons.
Of late it is becoming very difficult for many Wikimedians from India to
contribute to Wikimedia Commons especially if they are uploading historical
images which are in PD. We are facing lot of issues (and many a times
unnecessary controversies also) with the historic images in PD, images of
wall paintings and statues, and so on. Please see the below mail in which
Sreejith citing various examples.
It is almost impossible for the uploaders from India to show proof of the
century old images of Hindu Gods and Goddesses. The current policies of
Commons are not permitting many of the PD images from India citing all sorts
of policies which might be relevant only in the western world. With these
type of policies we are going to have serious issues when we try to go for
GLAM type events.
But I also do not know the solution for this issue. Requesting constructive
discussion.
Shiju Alex
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From: Sreejith K. <sreejithk2000(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Subject: Copyright problems of images from India
To: Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>
Shiju,
As you might be aware already, we are having trouble keeping historical
images about India in Wikimedia commons. This pertains mostly to images
about Hindu gods and people who died before 1947.
Please see the below examples:
- File:Narayana
Guru.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Narayana_Guru.jpg> -
This is the image of Sree Narayana
Guru<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayana_Guru>,
a Hindu saint, social reformer and is even considered a god by certain
castes in Kerala. This image has been tagged as an image with No source.
Narayana Guru expired in 1928 and considering the conditions in which India
was in during that period and before, it is very difficult to get an image
source online. Most active Wikipedians does not have access or information
on how old the image is or where a source of it can be found. Any photograph
published before 1941 in India is in public domain as per Indian copyright
act. Common sense says that this image meets this criteria because the
person was long lead before 1941, but we still need proof of the first
publishing date. Deleting this image on grounds that no source could be
found will only reduce the informative values of all the articles which this
image is included in.
- File:Aravana.JPG: This image has already been deleted, but you can see
the amount of discussion that went in before deleting it. See
Commons:Deletion
requests/File:Aravana.JPG<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aravana.JPG>.
(An almost similar image can be found
here<http://www.flickr.com/photos/anoopp/5706721852/in/photostream/>.)This
image as put for deletion because it had the image of Swami
Ayyappan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Ayyappan>in it. Ayyappan,
a popular god of Kerala, has his image circulated
everywhere on the plant with no proof of copyrights. It makes sense to
believe that this image is not eligible for copyright because
Hindu deities are all common property, but again, Commons need proof that
the image is in public domain. This is the same case with all Hindu
gods/goddesses. The images can only be kept in Commons if the uploader can
provide proof that the images are in public domain.
- File:Kottarathil
sankunni.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kottarathil_sankunni.jpg>:
This is a picture of Kottarathil
Sankunni<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kottarathil_Sankunni>,
the author of the famous book
Aithiyamaala<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aithihyamala>.
Kottarathil Sankunni died in 1937 and so it makes sense to believe that this
image was created on or before 1937 and thus falls in Public Domain. But
some people in Commons is refusing to believe that and is asking for proof.
Now it becomes the responsibility of the uploader to show proof that this
image was published 60 years before today. The editor who nominated the
image for deletion is on the safer side because it is not his responsibility
to prove that the image is a copyright violation. So long story short,
anyone can nominate any image for copyright violation and it becomes the
uploaders responsibility to prove that its not. The deletion nomination need
not be accompanied with a reason for disbelief.
- File:Anoop
Menon.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anoop_Menon.jpg>:
This is the picture of Anoop
Menon<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoop_Menon>,
a popular actor from Kerala. A discussion is going on about the uploaders
credibility whether he is the original photographer of this image. Please
see File talk:Anoop
Menon.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Anoop_Menon.jpg>.
The reason for doubting the uploader is simple. This image has professional
quality and so the uploader cannot be the copyright owner because this is
his first upload. Strange? Now, it becomes the responsibility of the
uploader to prove that he took this image and I do not know how and nor does
the person who is arguing for it. He claims that the uploader can upload the
full resolution image with EXIF but whats even funny is that most of images
from the person who is saying this does not meet this criteria. Again, back
to round 1 in my first example. Its the responsibility of the uploader to
prove his image and anyone can doubt him for any stupid reason and commons
hardly cares.
As you can see, it is getting quite difficult to maintain images from India
in commons. India is a country which has only started to use Internet less
than a decade ago and we still do not have many of our countries' books or
sources of information online. So any image from India which gets nominated
for deletion in Wikimedia Commons get deleted for absence of proof. Commons
is ruled by *precautionary principle*, where in they are not willing to take
any risks on copyright and will delete any image for which anyone has
doubts. This is in contrary to local wikipedia projects in India where it is
rules by the *good faith principle* where we will trust the uploader and it
becomes the responsibility of the nominator to prove that the image has
false copyright claim.
This issue is beginning to hurt the contents from India. If we can do
something, its time we act immediately. If we are just going to just spent
out time discussing about it, the pictures of all Hindu gods and people who
died before independence might get deleted by that time.
Regards,
Sreejith K.
>
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> From: Waldir Pimenta <waldir(a)email.com>
>
> So, on one hand I can understand the resistance towards adding even more
> domains to that mix: the enwp.org would set a precedence for others in the
> same vein, and this would mean up to 7 (projects) * ~200 (languages)
> domains. Even if we assume only a handful of these would get enough demand
> to be registered, it could easily double or triple the number of domains
> currently managed by the WMF. In fact, if we assume only the .org domains I
> noted above (9 in total), adding the current shorteners I have knowledge of
> (enwp.org, frwp.org, enwn.net) means a 33% growth.
>
>
The above makes a good argument for registering wp.org, wb.org, and
wn.orgor whatever TLD. That's a handful of domains and various
languages simply
become subdomains. I throw my voice behind enwp.org being a poor naming
convention and having too much administrative overhead with regards to the
other languages. Because it won't stop at en.wikipedia; the other projects
and languages will want theirs as soon as Wikimedia sets the precedent.
A previous post suggested a new TLD such as .wmf but I have to mention that
it would be a bad idea, as outside of Wikimedia WMF stands for the
non-profit World Monuments Fund, for which that is actually an acronym and
not just shorthand: http://www.wmf.org
-- Adrignola
Hoi,
When you are uploading pictures the UploadWizard will provide the new
default interface. It has a much more intuitive interface and, you can
upload 10 pictures at a time.
Enjoy !! It is in my opinion a big step forward.
Thanks,
GerardM
Hello, everyone.
As announced in the Wikimedia Conference 2011 in Berlin, the Wikimedia
Foundation would like to set up a Grant Advisory Committee, to help evaluate
grant requests and to benefit from a wider movement perspective.
We are now looking to populate the committee with volunteers. Please take a
look at the description in the committee page on Meta[1], and if you have
relevant background and are so inclined, apply at the bottom of the page.
Cheers,
Asaf Bartov
Wikimedia Foundation
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee
--
Asaf Bartov <asaf.bartov(a)gmail.com>
Hi there,
look guys someone deleted my pages promoting our work in Kosovo and Albania
from my user page saying they are of no use to the wikipedia
can someone please comment on that?
Gerard was at the event in Albania that was supposedly not helping the
wikipedia to talk about wikipedia there.
Milos was at the event in 2009 to talk about wikipedia as well. I think many
of you might have heard about the work I have been doing to promote
wikipedia, and now all my user pages on those topics have been deleted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Mdupont…
- User:Mdupont/OpenLetterToFreeSoftwareCommunities<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mdupont/OpenLetterToFreeSoft…>
- WP:WEBHOST <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WEBHOST> -
Promotional material about the user's activities outside Wikipedia, nothing
useful to Wikipedia
thank,
mike
--
James Michael DuPont
Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.orgflossal.org
Hi everyone,
Allow us to present our first annual reports (2009 and 2010). It took us
quite a bit to compile, but from now on we plan to release reports much more
often (we're thinking each 3 months). Here they are:
- http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2009
- http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2010
They are in Portuguese only, but we plan to translate them during the next
few weeks. And add images also :D
We also just started a blog at http://blog.wikimedia.pt, from where we'll
broadcast these reports. And of course, we'll link to them from meta also.
Cheers,
_____
*Béria Lima*
Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt>
(351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer.*
