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I posted this yesterday at wikitech-l and was told to ask this
question here at foundation-l.
I'm a member of the German language Wikipedia community and have a
question that no-one could give me a definite answer to so far. I hope
someone here can answer it, or point me to where I should go to get a
The question is, what level of self-determination do the 260 language
versions of Wikipedia have as to the design of their user interfaces
(skins)? Can individual wikis choose independently modifications of
their skins, and which of the available skins to use as the default
for unregistered users, or is this controlled centrally by the
For backgrund, this question arose after the German language Wikipedia
(de.wikipedia.org) was switched from Monobook to Vector as the default
skin on the 10th of June 2010, resulting in considerable criticism
from the community. On the more sober side of the debate, it was asked
whether it would be theoretically possible to return to Monobook as
the default skin, at least for some time until the biggest known
issues with Vector have been fixed. Under the theoretical scenario
that a majority voted for a return to Monobook as the default skin,
would it be possible at all to switch it back? Or would the Foundation
not permit that?
The question seems to be a very fundamental one and I would also
appreciate insights into the big picture. How independent are the
language versions? To what degree can they govern themselves and to
what degree are they bound by decisions made centrally by the
In a message dated 6/30/2010 5:36:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> If a way of halting the gross infringements can't be done. Then go back
> to hitting the seeders with $22,000 fines per infringed work. The
> economic costs of simply walking away and not stopping the piracy are
> too much.>>
The seeders.... you mean the people who actually load the material to the
If so, no one is stopping the copyright *owners* from filing lawsuits
against Jane Doe.
So exactly what damage are you trying to contain here?
They know perfectly well how to do it, they've been doing it.
If you can't actually get 85 million dollars out of a 13-year-old girl,
well then that's your tough luck, welcome to jurisprudence U.S. style.
And if after you keep attacking housewives and children, your image is
horrible, well that's your tough luck as well.
If people hate you because you're trying to protect a work on which you
haven't *actually* made any income in thirty-five years.... that's your tough
I shouldn't use the work "luck" however in this case, since it implies you
didn't bring it upon yourself.
How about this counter-offensive. Threaten to repeal copyright to the
point, where any holder *only* gets ten years. That's it.
Ten years to make your money then it's public domain. We can call it the
"Knock it off or else" proposal.
Will "Tough Love" Johnson
In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:49:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> The point is that the publishing industry _has_ to review its economic
> with the new technical situation which is the Internet, and whether it
> publishes music, video or text. >>
Yann has hit it right on the head.
You can't plug every hole in the dam, while a guy down the row is busy
opening up a few new holes.
However what you can do, is realize that people are willing to use your
site only (cbs.com) to view old episodes of shows where you can exert full
control over what advertisements they see, and whether they have to make a
micropayment and so on.
What doesn't work in today's environment, is stating that the sole way of
obtaining the content is through an exorbitantly priced single hard-to-access
channel. The channel of choice today is the online channel and publishers
need to figure out how to work with it, to both protect their copyright AND
Some publishers have figured it out, some are idiots and deserve what they
The simplest way to stop bootlegging, is to provide access at a reasonable
I regret to inform you that Rand Montoya will be leaving the Wikimedia
Foundation. His last day with us will be September 30, 2010.
Rand has generously agreed to support and advise us for the next three
months as we're gearing up for the 2010 fundraiser while he looks for
opportunities outside Wikimedia.
Rand will especially help us close the loop on our discussions in
Bristol: finalizing the next version of the chapters fundraising
agreement, and coordinating a self-assessment process of the chapters
fundraising work to-date.
Since Rand joined us two years ago, he has been tremendously
successful in his work for the Wikimedia Foundation. The 2008 and 2009
fundraisers set new record revenue numbers for the organization, and
have enabled us to expand our mission activities and grow our impact
world-wide. Rand also helped us to establish good fundraising
practices, including improved donor communication and cultivation, and
led efforts to help the international Wikimedia chapters fundraise.
Please join me in thanking Rand for all he has done for Wikimedia, and
wishing him the best for his future.
Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Possibly I may have missed a discussion (being a rather irregular reader of this list); but is the WMF
currently self-certifying under the International_Safe_Harbor_Privacy_Principles ?
As an EU citizen, I would naturally like for my rights to be protected as thoroughly as possible. :-)
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A couple of months ago, we was approached by an artist group which
idea is to raise cultural awareness by putting at billboards stylized
photos of (not so) famous  cultural and scientific persons from the
history of Serbia. They wanted to incorporate their art project into
Wikimedia Serbia projects and we've found that it is a great idea. The
project's site is likilink.org .
The project has been done without money. The main company which deals
with billboards in Serbia, Alma Quatro  is giving to us not used
billboards for free. "Not used" means, for example, if some billboard
campaign is lasting up to 15th of some month -- as they are renting
space on monthly basis -- the rest of the month is our. So, it is not
about bad locations; contrary, locations are top.
But, it was their initial idea, they will work on that, but, it is up
to Wikimedians to choose who will be the next persons on billboards
all over Serbia.
So, after the first couple of writers, the rest is up to them.
The first person on billboards is Radoje Domanovic , Serbian
satirist with Orwellian motives. Those billboards are presently at ~20
places in Belgrade, including large billboards at the highway entrance
The second group will be 5 persons with 30 billboards each:
* Two will be Serbian writers.
* One will be a female inventor from our previous, but not yet
finished project ("Female inventors") in cooperation with another
* One will be Richard Stallman.
* One will be Jimmy Wales.
Yes, Jimmy will get 30 billboards in Belgrade for one month :)
 - Famous, but not so as Nikola Tesla or Vuk Karadzic are.
 - "Lik i link" means "face/figure and link".
 - The billboards are designed as the image from the site, but with
link to the project's site and
 - Please, don't ask my why I've put just a JPEG with <map> >:| It
will be fixed today or tomorrow.
 - http://www.aqyu.com/
 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radoje_Domanovic
Did anyone ever consider completely migrating WMF projects to
three-letter language codes? Currently two-letter ISO 639-1 code are
used whenever possible and three-letter ISO 639-2 or ISO 639-3 codes
are used when a two-letter code is not available.
Among the three-letter codes currently having Wikipedias are Sicilian
(scn), Kashubian (csb), Nahuatl (nah), Udmurt (udm) and Mari (mhr).
Using three-letter codes for all languages seems to me like a more
Two-letter URL's must, of course, be kept as redirects.
Can anyone think about any problems with this?
אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
Amir Elisha Aharoni
"We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
Our final (*) strategic planning office hours will be on Tuesday, June
29, at 21:00-22:00 UTC. Local timezones are available at:
As always, you can access the chat by going to
https://webchat.freenode.net and filling in a username and the channel
name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a
security warning. It's fine. More details at:
We'll be talking about an upcoming Call for Action, movement
priorities, and Wikimania.
Since it will be our last (*), we hope many of you will join us. If
you can't make it, don't worry; we're also planning a virtual
* Several people have discussed continuing the weekly office hours
beyond the scope of this project, which I think is a wonderful idea.
I'm sure this will also be discussed tomorrow.
Eugene Eric Kim ................................ http://xri.net/=eekim
Blue Oxen Associates ........................ http://www.blueoxen.com/